<![CDATA[Send Some: Indicators Love (week 3)]]>This week I was hesitant between two subjects, one ore accessible and one more difficult. As it looks like you people like the hard stuff and it also popped in the Telegram channel: let's «design speculate» on the indicators.

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Rules:

  • Final date to send mockups: Tuesdat 20th at 20:00 UTC
  • Sign the mockup with the username you derivate your work (if applyable) and yours
  • Mockups can be on any format (even hand drawn)

To keep in mind:

  • be nice to each other
  • be open minded
  • go bananas (no limits, let's do speculative design if you want) but
  • don't be upset if your design is not used
]]>https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1983/send-some-indicators-love-week-3RSS for NodeTue, 10 Mar 2026 12:46:35 GMTTue, 13 Nov 2018 20:37:59 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Send Some: Indicators Love (week 3) on Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:53:01 GMT]]>@3arn0wl
Well, it's not decision, is a recapitulation of the ideas we have been putting here but:

  • we decide how we want it to work
  • we are tied to «what is possible» to implement
  • all in the case that we start implementing it
]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/15249https://forums.ubports.com/post/15249Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:53:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Send Some: Indicators Love (week 3) on Thu, 29 Nov 2018 09:27:02 GMT]]>@cibersheep

What is the decision process around these things?
Who's deciding what needs attention?
And who's deciding what, if any of the solutions are going to be implemented?

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/15213https://forums.ubports.com/post/15213Thu, 29 Nov 2018 09:27:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Send Some: Indicators Love (week 3) on Wed, 28 Nov 2018 22:23:32 GMT]]>As a resume of all ideas, this could be a first step towards a more compact indicators:

  • Connections, Audio and Date nearly untouch.
  • Energy and power

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  • Notifications and downloads:

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  • Bluetooth, rotation, keyboard, GPS

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]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/15197https://forums.ubports.com/post/15197Wed, 28 Nov 2018 22:23:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Send Some: Indicators Love (week 3) on Wed, 28 Nov 2018 19:48:28 GMT]]>It's very clarifying some aspects that are confusing and one of the things in my list is to try to do a little post / guide about it.

Also seems inevitable to all threads to go its way out of topic 🙂 so, feel free to link any other place you want to follow the conversation.

In short, about the look and feel of UT, I think it feels like a better version of AndriOS 🙂

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/15191https://forums.ubports.com/post/15191Wed, 28 Nov 2018 19:48:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Send Some: Indicators Love (week 3) on Wed, 28 Nov 2018 12:24:31 GMT]]>@dobey
it was meant as artistic criticism, but not to be denigrating: I'm sorry if it came over as being rude.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/15172https://forums.ubports.com/post/15172Wed, 28 Nov 2018 12:24:31 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Send Some: Indicators Love (week 3) on Wed, 28 Nov 2018 12:09:10 GMT]]>@3arn0wl That's a very odd comparison to make. Personally, I don't know what iOS 1.0 was like, or why you think you're seeing it here. That just sounds like a denigrating comment for the sake of it, instead of discussing any actual problems or concerns. Let's not let fear of change dictate what we do with the system we've been given the opportunity to care for.

If we want to make things better, we need to discuss the real issues, and concerns, not just be afraid of losing some unnamed "thing" with the software. But this thread wasn't really about addressing specific concerns either. These week long threads are more about drive-by design sessions of one aspect of the UT experience. It seems people were pretty confused by what indicators even are, in this one. Which actually points to more issues with them.

But I think we shouldn't have a lengthy discussion about those issues, in this thread. Maybe a new thread, or in issues on github/gitlab, would be a better place to organize that.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/15170https://forums.ubports.com/post/15170Wed, 28 Nov 2018 12:09:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Send Some: Indicators Love (week 3) on Wed, 28 Nov 2018 11:55:13 GMT]]>@dobey
I know that things change, and we shouldn't cling on to things that people don't want, but we also need to be careful of the direction of change. I'm seeing something that looks like iOS 1.0 this morning. Not where we should be heading, IMO.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/15168https://forums.ubports.com/post/15168Wed, 28 Nov 2018 11:55:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Send Some: Indicators Love (week 3) on Wed, 28 Nov 2018 11:46:17 GMT]]>@3arn0wl Sure. But "less is more" is also true. We don't need to stuff it with every possible thing for indicators to be better. You've got to cut all the fatty tissue out of a steak to get the best parts. No different with software. 🙂

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/15167https://forums.ubports.com/post/15167Wed, 28 Nov 2018 11:46:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Send Some: Indicators Love (week 3) on Wed, 28 Nov 2018 08:19:40 GMT]]>I guess I just don't want this beautiful thing to degenerate into a poor version of what's available already, just for the sake of expediency or lack of resources.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/15159https://forums.ubports.com/post/15159Wed, 28 Nov 2018 08:19:40 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Send Some: Indicators Love (week 3) on Wed, 28 Nov 2018 03:08:09 GMT]]>@cibersheep said in Send Some: Indicators Love (week 3):

, I would say if you print a document, you have an app that prints and an indicator that tells you that a document is being printed.

Nope. There is no indicator for printing under unity8. There are only notifications for ink/toner low and such. The old print indicator was basically useless in success cases, so we did not implement it under unity8, but instead only have a daemon which notifies for error conditions.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/15152https://forums.ubports.com/post/15152Wed, 28 Nov 2018 03:08:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Send Some: Indicators Love (week 3) on Wed, 28 Nov 2018 03:05:56 GMT]]>@3arn0wl said in Send Some: Indicators Love (week 3):

Wouldn't it be cool to be able to have our most-used apps transform into indicators, so that they're there to just pull down.

Please no. We already had this problem of lines being blurred between apps and scopes. We definitely don't need apps sticking around in the top panel and pretending to be indicators either.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/15151https://forums.ubports.com/post/15151Wed, 28 Nov 2018 03:05:56 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Send Some: Indicators Love (week 3) on Tue, 27 Nov 2018 18:27:36 GMT]]>@3arn0wl Hehehe... the files indicator is for download (any app that uses the Download Manager to download a file will show in the file indicator, for example, Podbird or the Browser?).

About to make an most used app indicator... I don't think is a good idea, it's not the place for it. You can favorite apps on top of the app scope, or in the Dash 🙂

Don't worry about scopes, they are going away (1 minute of silence) between apps and indicators, I would say if you print a document, you have an app that prints and an indicator that tells you that a document is being printed. On other cases the lines goes a bit away.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/15139https://forums.ubports.com/post/15139Tue, 27 Nov 2018 18:27:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Send Some: Indicators Love (week 3) on Tue, 27 Nov 2018 13:56:06 GMT]]>@cibersheep
Gah! I'm so slow!
I've got lots of files on my phone - .md .png etc. - so why don't they show up in the Files Indicator?

The distinction between app and indicator, and scope for that matter, seems to be quite blurred.

Wouldn't it be cool to be able to have our most-used apps transform into indicators, so that they're there to just pull down.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/15132https://forums.ubports.com/post/15132Tue, 27 Nov 2018 13:56:06 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Send Some: Indicators Love (week 3) on Mon, 26 Nov 2018 07:56:19 GMT]]>Hm... What about just change the background from black to transparent with blur effect?

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/15091https://forums.ubports.com/post/15091Mon, 26 Nov 2018 07:56:19 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Send Some: Indicators Love (week 3) on Sun, 25 Nov 2018 15:02:03 GMT]]>@3arn0wl True!

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/15079https://forums.ubports.com/post/15079Sun, 25 Nov 2018 15:02:03 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Send Some: Indicators Love (week 3) on Sun, 25 Nov 2018 12:01:41 GMT]]>@cibersheep

Following on from something that was suggested in the Q&A yesterday - a Tor Network button:

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If only it were that easy to write and implement the code. 😕

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/15069https://forums.ubports.com/post/15069Sun, 25 Nov 2018 12:01:41 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Send Some: Indicators Love (week 3) on Tue, 20 Nov 2018 21:21:18 GMT]]>Time is up for this week.
Thank you all for you input and idea. It's clear that is not clear where want to arrive. So, let's come back to the subject in the near future.

As a resume, I would say we agreed on:

  • we kind of like the notification
  • we want them changed
  • We like them like they are
  • but different

Again: thank you all

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/14886https://forums.ubports.com/post/14886Tue, 20 Nov 2018 21:21:18 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Send Some: Indicators Love (week 3) on Fri, 16 Nov 2018 17:18:39 GMT]]>Thanks @arubislander . I know the one I'd like, but I haven't found it in a shop yet. 😕

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/14794https://forums.ubports.com/post/14794Fri, 16 Nov 2018 17:18:39 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Send Some: Indicators Love (week 3) on Fri, 16 Nov 2018 16:58:10 GMT]]>@3arn0wl if you get a male microUSB to Female USB adapter, then any USB keyboard can be used with your UTouch device. (do double check if you need USB 2 or USB 3 on the micro side though)

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/14793https://forums.ubports.com/post/14793Fri, 16 Nov 2018 16:58:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Send Some: Indicators Love (week 3) on Sun, 18 Nov 2018 18:30:50 GMT]]>@dobey Ah! Fair point. (I don't have a keyboard yet, sadly)

Edit: The top panel in Unity7 was easy enough to use with a keyboard...?

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/14792https://forums.ubports.com/post/14792Sun, 18 Nov 2018 18:30:50 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Send Some: Indicators Love (week 3) on Fri, 16 Nov 2018 13:56:46 GMT]]>@3arn0wl said in Send Some: Indicators Love (week 3):

(Actually, it's not that hard to reach any settings really, is it!?)

Try navigating the indicators using only mouse/keyboard sometime. Remember, we are building a converged platform, and not simply a phone/tablet system.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/14791https://forums.ubports.com/post/14791Fri, 16 Nov 2018 13:56:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Send Some: Indicators Love (week 3) on Fri, 16 Nov 2018 09:03:21 GMT]]>@3arn0wl

(Actually, it's not that hard to reach any settings really, is it!?)

no it's not. but my proposal would speed up it that means a better UX

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/14789https://forums.ubports.com/post/14789Fri, 16 Nov 2018 09:03:21 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Send Some: Indicators Love (week 3) on Fri, 16 Nov 2018 08:16:13 GMT]]>@mymike I agree that there are some indicators that I use far more than others, and some I use not at all, so I wonder if it is possible / desirable to be able to customize the top bar? But at the same time be able to reach other settings easily, when necessary. (Actually, it's not that hard to reach any settings really, is it!?)

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/14787https://forums.ubports.com/post/14787Fri, 16 Nov 2018 08:16:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Send Some: Indicators Love (week 3) on Fri, 16 Nov 2018 07:21:34 GMT]]>@cibersheep well if you need location you need to pull down on network and swipe left as location icon is not shown as it is not enabled yet.
and if I'm in the network to switch wifi on and then I want to go to notifications I can: scroll the top bar and tap notifications (but it's difficult to reach with one hand) or I can navigate by press and drag the bottom bar (easier with one hand) but I have to pass through all the indicators. hiding/disabling unused would improve the UX lot IMO

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/14786https://forums.ubports.com/post/14786Fri, 16 Nov 2018 07:21:34 GMT