<![CDATA[Use Mattermost instead of Telegram to discuss about UT]]>Hello everyone.
The UBPorts community is actually using Telegram to discuss about Ubuntu Touch. There are dozens of groups, about the OS, apps, support, groups in specific languages or even some dedicated to an app like Axolotl, or Waydroid...

With the current events ongoing in Russia (where Telegram is hosted), I feel like we should switch to a solution which is resilient to internet cutoff between Russia and the rest of the world, preferably a self-hosted one. Mattermost is a powerful chat (like Slack) allowing to organize discussions by team and channels and would in my opinion nicely replace Telegram. It can be very easily put in place because it is integrated into gitlab, which is already self hosted by the UBPorts foundation.

What do you think?

Cheers.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/topic/7493/use-mattermost-instead-of-telegram-to-discuss-about-utRSS for NodeMon, 09 Mar 2026 15:03:37 GMTWed, 23 Feb 2022 14:04:16 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Use Mattermost instead of Telegram to discuss about UT on Thu, 02 Jun 2022 05:43:24 GMT]]>@dobey Yes I think with this one all the bases have been covered.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/64478https://forums.ubports.com/post/64478Thu, 02 Jun 2022 05:43:24 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Use Mattermost instead of Telegram to discuss about UT on Wed, 01 Jun 2022 23:35:13 GMT]]>@dubudoregil said in Use Mattermost instead of Telegram to discuss about UT:

Telegram is based in Dubai.

Actually, it is multinational. And it's founders are indeed a pair of brothers from Russia. Not that having operational headquarters in Dubai, nor legal domicile in the British Virgin Islands, is somehow a particular improvement with regards to anything discussed here, beyond there being better infrastructure and not currently in the middle of a war.

The majority of concerns one might have with Telegram anyway, are not solved by moving to pretty much any other service. And there is not enough inertia to move away from it for our needs.

Maybe it's time to just lock this thread @Lakotaubp ?

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/64474https://forums.ubports.com/post/64474Wed, 01 Jun 2022 23:35:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Use Mattermost instead of Telegram to discuss about UT on Wed, 01 Jun 2022 05:06:09 GMT]]>@dubudoregil Badly informed might be a better way of putting it, ignorant comes accross as harsh.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/64451https://forums.ubports.com/post/64451Wed, 01 Jun 2022 05:06:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Use Mattermost instead of Telegram to discuss about UT on Wed, 01 Jun 2022 04:41:28 GMT]]>@dubudoregil You are right about Telegram being based in Dubai, but you could really be nicer about it.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/64450https://forums.ubports.com/post/64450Wed, 01 Jun 2022 04:41:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Use Mattermost instead of Telegram to discuss about UT on Tue, 31 May 2022 22:18:44 GMT]]>@fla I think you are ignorant. Telegram is based in Dubai. It is not Russian based at all. It has NEVER been Russian based or a Russian company. Telegrams servers are spread all across the world.

Nice virtue signal though.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/64449https://forums.ubports.com/post/64449Tue, 31 May 2022 22:18:44 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Use Mattermost instead of Telegram to discuss about UT on Thu, 31 Mar 2022 14:30:45 GMT]]>@fla Whats wrong with the official Matrix groups, even if matrix gets taken down, you can still interface with the chats using other homeservers, its versatile, and will make "Cut off from the interent" situation harder, not to mention we already have apps for Matrix both Fluffychat, and Cinny is being developed as a click, and hopefully one day we will get NeoChat as well.

we have a few spaces, and we could make more as time goes on if the community feels need for it.

They're already up and working, the question about bridging comes up, and I'd love to have some of these chats bridge, but at least the last time it was talked about properly, the legal implications of hosting userdata, and the fact that in some cases a chat can be even minutes behind when bridged, led this to not be an ideal situation, perhaps over time this will be more viable?

If you want a different chat option to become officially supported, it will also at least need a decent Ubuntu Touch app, so that anyone using ubuntu touch can actually participate, with notifications, and other little nicetys that make the experience, much easier and better than just a webapp.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/63437https://forums.ubports.com/post/63437Thu, 31 Mar 2022 14:30:45 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Use Mattermost instead of Telegram to discuss about UT on Thu, 31 Mar 2022 12:52:18 GMT]]>Is it necroposting after a month?

seems also that Mattermost is a paid service once you go beyond wanting basic features and small numbers of participants

Mattermost is FOSS, you don't have to buy hosting from them. Hosting always costs money.

other than this easily accessible forum

Mettermost can be public, it's not a secret society

Plus on forums, everything stays and can be searched.

Same, but Mattermost is real-time, so I don't understand comparisons to forums - they are not exclusive.

Mattermost can definitely be more organized than Telegram, but:

  • bridges suck, one party will always get shitty UX
  • you can't expect everyone to move over

It could be nice for developers, especially with all the (possible) integrations, but I wouldn't expect the 3500 people from the UBports [ENGLISH] TG group to move over - there are people who use TG for stuff other than UT so it's convenient for them ๐Ÿ˜œ

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/63436https://forums.ubports.com/post/63436Thu, 31 Mar 2022 12:52:18 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Use Mattermost instead of Telegram to discuss about UT on Thu, 03 Mar 2022 21:18:22 GMT]]>@wgarcia I was just suggesting it if you liked email groups

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/62530https://forums.ubports.com/post/62530Thu, 03 Mar 2022 21:18:22 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Use Mattermost instead of Telegram to discuss about UT on Wed, 02 Mar 2022 11:48:18 GMT]]>@totalrando Yes, but, what do you mean? This community does not want to use mailing lists, it seems.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/62483https://forums.ubports.com/post/62483Wed, 02 Mar 2022 11:48:18 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Use Mattermost instead of Telegram to discuss about UT on Sat, 26 Feb 2022 13:46:17 GMT]]>@fla Self hosting is not really a viable solution for the Foundation. We mustn't forget that self hosting takes up a lot of time in set up and maintenance. Someone in the community could volunteer to do that though.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/62377https://forums.ubports.com/post/62377Sat, 26 Feb 2022 13:46:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Use Mattermost instead of Telegram to discuss about UT on Sat, 26 Feb 2022 10:51:22 GMT]]>@cliffcoggin & others about why not only a forum. Yes obviously for exactly this kind of topic (debate, announcement etc) a forum is perfect. But there are other use cases when you need live chat, debugging together with a user, preparing a release... Just jump in the Dev group or the Axolotl one in telegram and you'll see what I mean. And Mattermost would make all this groups much more discoverable.

That being said, sorry I didn't remember that ubports wasn't hosting their own gitlab, in that case obviously there is a bit more work to be done to put it in place and that's maybe not worth it at the moment (because I think the advantage is also to be self hosted, not to use a sass solution)

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/62368https://forums.ubports.com/post/62368Sat, 26 Feb 2022 10:51:22 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Use Mattermost instead of Telegram to discuss about UT on Sat, 26 Feb 2022 10:21:21 GMT]]>@lakotaubp Crossing out an erroneous sentence is not the same as deleting it, and it allows the error to be kept for the record and corrected for the reader's sake.
Otherwise, readers who only read the first post or who do not link to the correct answers will continue to be possibly misled which is not a good thing.

Edit: I replaced the word fake with erroneous in my previous post because I never intended to imply that the erroneous nature was intentional.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/62365https://forums.ubports.com/post/62365Sat, 26 Feb 2022 10:21:21 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Use Mattermost instead of Telegram to discuss about UT on Sat, 26 Feb 2022 09:55:16 GMT]]>@libremax That has already been countered by both @AppLee and @TotalSonic quite comprehensively with the correct info that Telegram is nothing to do with Russia as a country. There may be others that also think the same thing so just crossing it out won't help and is a form of censorship in itself as it is not so much an attempt to spread fake news but a commonly held error. I feel it is much better to leave as is and let the conversation follow with all it's mistakes, corrections, suggestions and ideas.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/62364https://forums.ubports.com/post/62364Sat, 26 Feb 2022 09:55:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Use Mattermost instead of Telegram to discuss about UT on Sat, 26 Feb 2022 10:14:14 GMT]]>@fla Since your sentence about the situation in Russia and its consequences for Telegram is baseless, it would be good to cross it out to avoid spreading fake erroneous [I didn't mean that it was intentional] news on this forum. And then the discussion about Mattermost could take place under healthier conditions.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/62362https://forums.ubports.com/post/62362Sat, 26 Feb 2022 10:14:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Use Mattermost instead of Telegram to discuss about UT on Sat, 26 Feb 2022 06:59:18 GMT]]>@cliffcoggin I like the Forum and it works fine.

@wgarcia have you seen groups.io?

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/62360https://forums.ubports.com/post/62360Sat, 26 Feb 2022 06:59:18 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Use Mattermost instead of Telegram to discuss about UT on Fri, 25 Feb 2022 10:57:12 GMT]]>Interesting debate here. Let me put my through in this discussion. But before who am I.

Hello i'm Romain a french dev which love UT (daily drive it since 1 year now). I'm also the mattermost mvp for version 5.11. And the author of the official plugin gitlab.

So I guess i'm legitime to talk about this subject ๐Ÿ˜…

I think the main point of telegram vs mattermost is about open-source. Tรฉlรฉgram is not open-source, mattermost is. Just like github vs gitlab.

But no, ubports fundation are not hosting it's own gitlab @Fla. We use the global instance gitlab.com which is not linked with a mattermost instance. So the effort to host one is necessary.

As all decisions I take every day, this is a table whith pro/cons:

Pro Cons
open-source need to be hosted
open api no native app (they have react-native mobile app but react-native don't support ubtouch, they have eletron desktop app but electron don't support ubtouch :crying_face:)
self discoverable (channels about dev, QA...) no publicly accessible (need to register in ubports instance)
notification possible need dev in MM (not in ubtouch and the man power for our OS is already light)
lot of plugins to bridge need lot of configuration
no spam bot not more debate to add a captcha ๐Ÿ˜‚

As you can see, As much I love mattermost, we can't do all this stuff in short/medium time. Maybe in long, very long time ๐Ÿ˜“

As an advice, this is how I considered moving to mattermost (but unfortunately no time now...):

If after 1 year no one use this instance don't renew it and you have "only" loose 150$.

If you do that, and users use it, I'll dev a native mattermost app for UT (or at least a way to have notification from it :smiling_face_with_halo: )

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/62341https://forums.ubports.com/post/62341Fri, 25 Feb 2022 10:57:12 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Use Mattermost instead of Telegram to discuss about UT on Fri, 25 Feb 2022 10:51:03 GMT]]>@cliffcoggin
Plus on forums, everything stays and can be searched.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/62340https://forums.ubports.com/post/62340Fri, 25 Feb 2022 10:51:03 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Use Mattermost instead of Telegram to discuss about UT on Fri, 25 Feb 2022 10:38:27 GMT]]>Why the desire to discuss UT on anything other than this easily accessible forum? I will never join Telegram/Signal/etc or anything requiring membership of a secret society. That strikes me as little better than Twitter/Facebook.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/62339https://forums.ubports.com/post/62339Fri, 25 Feb 2022 10:38:27 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Use Mattermost instead of Telegram to discuss about UT on Fri, 25 Feb 2022 09:41:15 GMT]]>@bocephus No need to be rude.
You can have your point of view. But that's no reason to give names.
People's suggestions are always welcome.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/62336https://forums.ubports.com/post/62336Fri, 25 Feb 2022 09:41:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Use Mattermost instead of Telegram to discuss about UT on Fri, 25 Feb 2022 09:24:03 GMT]]>I'm still longing for classical mailing lists with searchable archives (and the forums) for this project, and chats only for interactive non-permanent exchanges, but I'm an old guy and I lost this battle long ago. For me it is a pain to look for old information in the Telegram chat.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/62335https://forums.ubports.com/post/62335Fri, 25 Feb 2022 09:24:03 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Use Mattermost instead of Telegram to discuss about UT on Fri, 25 Feb 2022 07:08:26 GMT]]>@totalsonic exactly like the whole gitlab stack, it is there business model, core is free (and clearly complete enough for a project like UT), and you may pay for premium features. Mattermost is the communication tool built to integrate with gitlab and the standard for developers allowing launch ci, be warned about new issues and merge request etc without leaving the chat. That's what I use at work for years, also now what we use at CERN and I can tell you it's a nice tool which would require less than 15min to be activated by the ubports sysadmins. But I guess I presented it wrongly and I know it's hard to make people change. At least I tried :face_with_tongue:
I would have liked to have opinions from the core team on that topic though.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/62329https://forums.ubports.com/post/62329Fri, 25 Feb 2022 07:08:26 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Use Mattermost instead of Telegram to discuss about UT on Thu, 24 Feb 2022 22:14:08 GMT]]>@moem said in Use Mattermost instead of Telegram to discuss about UT:

why

Stupid suggestion. I'm certainly not ditching Telegram.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/62313https://forums.ubports.com/post/62313Thu, 24 Feb 2022 22:14:08 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Use Mattermost instead of Telegram to discuss about UT on Thu, 24 Feb 2022 22:06:20 GMT]]>Looking into it further - seems also that Mattermost is a paid service once you go beyond wanting basic features and small numbers of participants. No thanks!!

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/62311https://forums.ubports.com/post/62311Thu, 24 Feb 2022 22:06:20 GMT