<![CDATA[Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration]]>Hi all,

I've managed to try adding an alternate pin code prompt based on that work: http://guidopallemans.blogspot.com/2013/09/some-time-ago-i-saw-beautiful-lock.html

As stated here: https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/1940
One of the task is to add to security system setting a toggle to select the pin code prompt:

screenshot20220303_104224212.png

And a demo "tester" to be familiar with this new way:

screenshot20220303_104226696.png

I've pushed an app click demo here: https://open-store.io/app/lockertest.ld
download:( https://open-store.io/api/v3/apps/lockertest.ld/download/xenial/all )

Any feedback welcome.

( For a demo of this pin code prompt integrated in Lomiri: https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/11663835/154673358-5c7c1cfe-f7ce-4d66-98de-e108cd4fba16.mp4 )

source code : https://github.com/lduboeuf/utpincodetester

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/topic/7529/test-alternative-pin-code-prompt-system-settings-integrationRSS for NodeMon, 08 Jun 2026 04:41:59 GMTThu, 03 Mar 2022 09:53:16 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration on Sun, 24 Nov 2024 20:15:25 GMT]]>Hi
Just want to tell everybody that this feature has been implemented and has been for a long time. you find it under:
Settings/Security & Privacy/Locking & unlocking/Lock security/Passcode/Circle pattern

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/83587https://forums.ubports.com/post/83587Sun, 24 Nov 2024 20:15:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration on Mon, 20 Jun 2022 21:16:52 GMT]]>@lduboeuf nice - thank you!

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/64997https://forums.ubports.com/post/64997Mon, 20 Jun 2022 21:16:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration on Mon, 20 Jun 2022 21:06:43 GMT]]>@messayisto OTA-24 if it does not break everything and the reviewer have time to look at it

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/64996https://forums.ubports.com/post/64996Mon, 20 Jun 2022 21:06:43 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration on Mon, 20 Jun 2022 20:46:36 GMT]]>@keneda Should this feature not be in OTA 22?

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/64995https://forums.ubports.com/post/64995Mon, 20 Jun 2022 20:46:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration on Sat, 19 Mar 2022 18:13:01 GMT]]>Even if not for now, a randomizer could be great.
A compromise between "fast" and "more secure".
Optionnal so people that don't want it can stay the fastest way.

@lduboeuf said in Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration:

I think we can compare like it is today, the pin-code prompts have a keyboard always in the same layout, and we can see on screen what keys we tap.

That could be randomisable too (optionnal again), like my bank is doing for account access. 😉

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/63003https://forums.ubports.com/post/63003Sat, 19 Mar 2022 18:13:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration on Fri, 18 Mar 2022 19:27:34 GMT]]>Dont overwork it. Its fine as it is. If you need something more secure, use a proper password. My two cents...

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/62970https://forums.ubports.com/post/62970Fri, 18 Mar 2022 19:27:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration on Fri, 18 Mar 2022 16:03:01 GMT]]>@jezek no i haven't tested that use case.
We can imagine lots of tunings 😉

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/62963https://forums.ubports.com/post/62963Fri, 18 Mar 2022 16:03:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration on Fri, 18 Mar 2022 15:51:01 GMT]]>@lduboeuf said in Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration:

and i've already tested random digits, it is more annoying than helpful, it takes too long to find your digits ...

Pardon my intrusion. Maybe they don't have to be random, they can be rotated by random places (the order will be preserved), have you tried that?

But I agree, that can wait.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/62961https://forums.ubports.com/post/62961Fri, 18 Mar 2022 15:51:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration on Fri, 18 Mar 2022 11:12:30 GMT]]>@jeroenbaten We could improve later i think, but i'm afraid every one would want a different setting...
and i've already tested random digits, it is more annoying than helpful, it takes too long to find your digits ^ ^
I think we can compare like it is today, the pin-code prompts have a keyboard always in the same layout, and we can see on screen what keys we tap.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/62956https://forums.ubports.com/post/62956Fri, 18 Mar 2022 11:12:30 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration on Fri, 18 Mar 2022 11:00:41 GMT]]>Hi!
Lovely design!
What I am missing is some sort of randomizing option. To prevent people from reading a passcode by watching the fat smear on the display. If I could toggle a randomize option it would make it much harder to break into the system.
I realise this is not very nice to blind people using an UT phone, but there are other options for them.
Regards,
Jeroen Baten

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/62955https://forums.ubports.com/post/62955Fri, 18 Mar 2022 11:00:41 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration on Sun, 13 Mar 2022 19:59:45 GMT]]>@ian thx, so i've implemented the V3 in system-settings https://gitlab.com/ubports/core/lomiri-system-settings/-/merge_requests/328/ and removed the preview.

Now, it is too short to add it to OTA-23, lets hope it will land on OTA-24 😉

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/62833https://forums.ubports.com/post/62833Sun, 13 Mar 2022 19:59:45 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration on Sun, 13 Mar 2022 09:03:05 GMT]]>Just tried the V3 scenario. It looks good, it makes sense, and it works well. Could you add this to OTA 23 (or 24 if too late now) and see how it goes when 'released into the wild'?

Thanks for working on this feature and introducing the concept of the tester. This could well be the future of new feature introduction!

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/62811https://forums.ubports.com/post/62811Sun, 13 Mar 2022 09:03:05 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration on Thu, 10 Mar 2022 21:44:29 GMT]]>@cibersheep said in Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration:

Hmh, I like. Do you?

Yes, i prefer, i will go without the tester i think, it can be more confusing than helpful for some and i don't like that button in the middle 🙂

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/62735https://forums.ubports.com/post/62735Thu, 10 Mar 2022 21:44:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration on Thu, 10 Mar 2022 18:08:02 GMT]]>@lduboeuf said in Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration:

You think the test screen in V3 is required for real use?

idk, it would be even simpler if we remove the preview.

You decide 🙂
Maybe we can have it as a feature reveal, and if you think it's not needed any more, it can be removed later when the feature is established. Or keep it if it's useful even then...

EDIT: see 1.7.3 for the use case "pincode already set"

Hmh, I like. Do you?

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/62726https://forums.ubports.com/post/62726Thu, 10 Mar 2022 18:08:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration on Thu, 10 Mar 2022 12:58:18 GMT]]>@cibersheep said in Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration:

@lduboeuf Yep, V3 is much simpler indeed
There is no way to edit the pin (like current behaviour), so you have to unset and reset it.

Humm, true.
So when user click on ""4-digit passcode":
(pincode not set): -> popup -> "4-digit pin" view
(pincode already set): -> "4-digit pin" view with "edit" button

You think the test screen in V3 is required for real use?

idk, it would be even simpler if we remove the preview.

EDIT: see 1.7.3 for the use case "pincode already set"

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/62713https://forums.ubports.com/post/62713Thu, 10 Mar 2022 12:58:18 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration on Thu, 10 Mar 2022 11:20:47 GMT]]>@lduboeuf Yep, V3 is much simpler indeed
There is no way to edit the pin (like current behaviour), so you have to unset and reset it.
You think the test screen in V3 is required for real use?

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/62710https://forums.ubports.com/post/62710Thu, 10 Mar 2022 11:20:47 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration on Thu, 10 Mar 2022 10:12:34 GMT]]>@cibersheep i pushed some modifications, let me know.
And i add a "V3" to test selecting the "clock prompt" as a sub option of "4 digit passcode" and just let user "preview" (test) the clock prompt ( the user won't create his passcode through clock that time as he already created/changed it before with classic popup)
This is the "simpliest" solution as it would not require to change backend methods and having to deal with pincode change through the clock.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/62693https://forums.ubports.com/post/62693Thu, 10 Mar 2022 10:12:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration on Wed, 09 Mar 2022 11:42:35 GMT]]>@lduboeuf said in Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration:

That makes sense . But i like the idea of user confirmation with the "ok" in the top bar when the verification is correct, the "back" would be more a "cancel" action for me.

Agreed

[EDIT]: Well something bother me. When you are in the "test screen", what do you test ? Because i'm pretty sure we can't check login on backend like we want. So i think we must go to "confirm" first.

Ah, I see. I mean, it's a bit weird that you have a test screen for the current pin pattern.
What I feel is that is a bit unclear of resetting the pin pattern when tapping on the ListView:

  • Once setted the pin pattern before
  • Opening System setting //Security
  • Tapping on pin pattern, it will ask for:
    • current pin
    • new pin
    • confirm pin

Is here (*) I feel it unclear. It is for us because we know what we are doing 😉

Do you know what I mean?

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/62662https://forums.ubports.com/post/62662Wed, 09 Mar 2022 11:42:35 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration on Wed, 09 Mar 2022 10:01:57 GMT]]>@cibersheep said in Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration:

@lduboeuf very nice work.
Only one think is in my mind, and I think it's what you tried to tell me before. When the pin clock is already set: tapping on the ListItem asks for current pin. Do you think it would be more clear to have?:

  • show [test pin pattern] with edit icon on header
  • tap on edit
  • ask for current pin pattern
  • ask for new pin pattern
  • ask for verification
  • if verification is correct, go back

Is a bit unusual to have a tester for the current pin, but...
What do you think?

That makes sense . But i like the idea of user confirmation with the "ok" in the top bar when the verification is correct, the "back" would be more a "cancel" action for me.

[EDIT]: Well something bother me. When you are in the "test screen", what do you test ? Because i'm pretty sure we can't check login on backend like we want. So i think we must go to "confirm" first.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/62661https://forums.ubports.com/post/62661Wed, 09 Mar 2022 10:01:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration on Wed, 09 Mar 2022 09:20:52 GMT]]>@kingu Sorry, how to decode your message, what are your talking about ?

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/62660https://forums.ubports.com/post/62660Wed, 09 Mar 2022 09:20:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration on Tue, 08 Mar 2022 23:11:15 GMT]]>🔒 📱/💻

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0000 ⌨ / 👆 ✔️
Abc Abc …

I think the fields should take direct input and not focus-shift.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/62655https://forums.ubports.com/post/62655Tue, 08 Mar 2022 23:11:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration on Tue, 08 Mar 2022 20:14:25 GMT]]>@lduboeuf very nice work.
Only one think is in my mind, and I think it's what you tried to tell me before. When the pin clock is already set: tapping on the ListItem asks for current pin. Do you think it would be more clear to have?:

  • show [test pin pattern] with edit icon on header
  • tap on edit
  • ask for current pin pattern
  • ask for new pin pattern
  • ask for verification
  • if verification is correct, go back

Is a bit unusual to have a tester for the current pin, but...
What do you think?

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/62652https://forums.ubports.com/post/62652Tue, 08 Mar 2022 20:14:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration on Tue, 08 Mar 2022 14:33:25 GMT]]>@CiberSheep ok, the 1.6.5 should be close to your proposition #1

Waiting for your feedbacks before trying to integrate it in system settings

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/62646https://forums.ubports.com/post/62646Tue, 08 Mar 2022 14:33:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration on Tue, 08 Mar 2022 12:45:07 GMT]]>@cibersheep said in Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration:

@lduboeuf Isn't it already implemented?

When you select swipe (no security) the system asks for the current passphrase / pin

Yes i should be able to copy most part of that method

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/62645https://forums.ubports.com/post/62645Tue, 08 Mar 2022 12:45:07 GMT