<![CDATA[Current RC has bad bluetooth on Op5t]]>I've so far had good experiences using my Pebble smartwatches on UT, through Bluetooth. But the current RC (called version 32) worked so badly for me that I had to switch to Stable. Once I have done that, Bluetooth is working immensely better again.

Similar experiences? Different experiences?

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/topic/8176/current-rc-has-bad-bluetooth-on-op5tRSS for NodeWed, 11 Mar 2026 16:41:25 GMTFri, 30 Sep 2022 10:33:35 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Current RC has bad bluetooth on Op5t on Fri, 25 Nov 2022 07:39:00 GMT]]>@yougo OTA-24 contains the same bluetooth stack as OTA-23. That was the object of the decision to revert.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/68627https://forums.ubports.com/post/68627Fri, 25 Nov 2022 07:39:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Current RC has bad bluetooth on Op5t on Thu, 24 Nov 2022 16:24:17 GMT]]>@flohack

Thanks for your update.
Good news for Pebblers I guess, but yikes thats a setback... sorry to hear that.

I just installed my Pixel 3a (stable) OTA-24 and the BT connection with my Pebble survived. Is that because of the delay, or was OTA-24 safe anyway?

is it usefull to get a new log on OTA-24?

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/68615https://forums.ubports.com/post/68615Thu, 24 Nov 2022 16:24:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Current RC has bad bluetooth on Op5t on Sat, 19 Nov 2022 13:24:39 GMT]]>Whole Bluetooth changes will be reverted. This will delay that OTA further, unfortunately, as we need a new RC...

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/68559https://forums.ubports.com/post/68559Sat, 19 Nov 2022 13:24:39 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Current RC has bad bluetooth on Op5t on Wed, 16 Nov 2022 09:15:26 GMT]]>@klh said in Current RC has bad bluetooth on Op5t:

I see you have an Xperia X (forum signature) - can you install 20.04 on it and check if the watch connects there?

I've tried and tried to get Focal running on the Xperia X but I always end up with a non-booting device. Installation seems to finish, the device reboots and try to install updates, this fails and the phone will then only boot to recovery.
So I still can't try the BT on Focal.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/68490https://forums.ubports.com/post/68490Wed, 16 Nov 2022 09:15:26 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Current RC has bad bluetooth on Op5t on Mon, 14 Nov 2022 20:43:32 GMT]]>@flohack

Here's the log for dev:
pebbledumpdev-summary.pdf
pebbledumpdev.pdf
pebbledumpdev.log
bluetoothctl terminal output

and here's the log for stable:
pebbledumpstable-summary.pdf
pebpledumpstable.pdf
bluetoothctl terminal output

stable connected ✨fabulously✨ , from what i could see, rc and dev failed in the exact same way...

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/68456https://forums.ubports.com/post/68456Mon, 14 Nov 2022 20:43:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Current RC has bad bluetooth on Op5t on Sat, 29 Oct 2022 22:13:05 GMT]]>@flohack said in Current RC has bad bluetooth on Op5t:

it works on stable and does not on Rc

That is exactly the case.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/68124https://forums.ubports.com/post/68124Sat, 29 Oct 2022 22:13:05 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Current RC has bad bluetooth on Op5t on Sat, 29 Oct 2022 18:51:13 GMT]]>@yougo if it works on stable and does not on Rc then yes, 2 traces could be helpful. Depending on which layer the problem actually is. Also a debug log of the Bluez daemon might be needed.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/68123https://forums.ubports.com/post/68123Sat, 29 Oct 2022 18:51:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Current RC has bad bluetooth on Op5t on Fri, 28 Oct 2022 06:46:39 GMT]]>@flohack i already did the btmon+wireshark thing for RC channel. the output is gibberish to me so it would be great if someone with more skills could look at it.
https://forums.ubports.com/post/67758

My latest question was if the same btmon+wireshark output for dev and/or stable would be useful to generate. if so i'll happily do that.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/68102https://forums.ubports.com/post/68102Fri, 28 Oct 2022 06:46:39 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Current RC has bad bluetooth on Op5t on Thu, 27 Oct 2022 10:05:36 GMT]]>Sorry to say but I hav eno clue where to begin with debugging this... bluetoothctl does not seem the right place I guess. btmon could be tried it can produce files with packet traces that can be openend in Wireshark.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/68095https://forums.ubports.com/post/68095Thu, 27 Oct 2022 10:05:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Current RC has bad bluetooth on Op5t on Wed, 26 Oct 2022 07:57:14 GMT]]>@klh sorry, life happened and i lost track of this thread. my pixel 3a is my main device so while i can switch channels between stable/rc and dev, 20.04 may be a bridge too far 😅

@Flohack i did switch it to dev now. is that of any use for testing and logging bluetootctl?

i also have a bq aquarius M10 HD but its dev channel is apparently stuck on 30.06.2022 and i dont suppose it has a 20.04 channel as it is a legacy device?
i have a One Plus One with a broken screen, can't be operated...
then i have a Fairphone 2. is that of any help at all?

(what a sad bunch if i put it like that, huh?😥)

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/68084https://forums.ubports.com/post/68084Wed, 26 Oct 2022 07:57:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Current RC has bad bluetooth on Op5t on Sun, 09 Oct 2022 21:38:37 GMT]]>Oh, also @Yougo I see you have a Pixel 3a and that definitely has working 20.04, so you could also check (ofc only if this is not your only device, I can't repeat enough that 20.04 is not ready for general use ;p)

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/67825https://forums.ubports.com/post/67825Sun, 09 Oct 2022 21:38:37 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Current RC has bad bluetooth on Op5t on Sun, 09 Oct 2022 21:30:55 GMT]]>@klh said in Current RC has bad bluetooth on Op5t:

hmm, did you do a clean install with wipe and bootstrap?

I believe so, but just in case, I will try again tomorrow.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/67823https://forums.ubports.com/post/67823Sun, 09 Oct 2022 21:30:55 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Current RC has bad bluetooth on Op5t on Sun, 09 Oct 2022 21:28:34 GMT]]>@moem hmm, did you do a clean install with wipe and bootstrap? It's an older device, there were some kernel changes needed for 20.04 to work so might be safer with these options.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/67822https://forums.ubports.com/post/67822Sun, 09 Oct 2022 21:28:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Current RC has bad bluetooth on Op5t on Sun, 09 Oct 2022 20:32:06 GMT]]>@klh said in Current RC has bad bluetooth on Op5t:

have an Xperia X (forum signature) - can you install 20.04 on it and check if the watch connects there?

I tried that a few days ago, but it wouldn't boot. Should I try again?

Not sure if the issue is visible without the app

Yes, the watch should be able to connect, app or no app. The app is just for managing the watch, things like adding watchfaces and so on.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/67821https://forums.ubports.com/post/67821Sun, 09 Oct 2022 20:32:06 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Current RC has bad bluetooth on Op5t on Sun, 09 Oct 2022 20:22:25 GMT]]>@moem I see you have an Xperia X (forum signature) - can you install 20.04 on it and check if the watch connects there? Not sure if the issue is visible without the app, but if not I can try and build it for 20.04.

I think the easiest is to install with the installer, checking "show hidden system-image channels" in the options and selecting 20.04 devel. Beware ofc that this is not end-user ready and a lot of things are missing.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/67820https://forums.ubports.com/post/67820Sun, 09 Oct 2022 20:22:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Current RC has bad bluetooth on Op5t on Fri, 07 Oct 2022 08:07:22 GMT]]>@yougo said in Current RC has bad bluetooth on Op5t:

someone would need to create that overlay and maintain it, for every affected port, test it against new OTA's and adapt it accordingly, and the user would need to implement the overlay in their device after every OTA manually.

Yeah, that sounds like a lot of work... and work that requires a specific skill set. If someone feels up for it, I would gladly send them a Pebble!

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/67778https://forums.ubports.com/post/67778Fri, 07 Oct 2022 08:07:22 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Current RC has bad bluetooth on Op5t on Fri, 07 Oct 2022 05:09:08 GMT]]>@moem
from what little i understand, i think a specific filesystem overlay would do what we want, provide a cusom bluez stack on one device while leaving the image for that port intact.

someone would need to create that overlay and maintain it, for every affected port, test it against new OTA's and adapt it accordingly, and the user would need to implement the overlay in their device after every OTA manually.

oof😓

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/67775https://forums.ubports.com/post/67775Fri, 07 Oct 2022 05:09:08 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Current RC has bad bluetooth on Op5t on Fri, 07 Oct 2022 04:59:26 GMT]]>@flohack

that is sad news for the few UT+pebble users. but understandibly if it's great news for a lot of new devices then i see where the priorities are, and rightfully so.

at least we learned something. thanks for your time 🙂

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/67774https://forums.ubports.com/post/67774Fri, 07 Oct 2022 04:59:26 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Current RC has bad bluetooth on Op5t on Thu, 06 Oct 2022 20:39:10 GMT]]>@flohack said in Current RC has bad bluetooth on Op5t:

If this is what we should do, then we do it.

Well, that seems like it would make a lot of folks unhappy. No one wants that.
Maybe I'll have to say goodbye to my Pebbles then. :crying_face:

Would it be doable in cases like mine to roll my installation of UT back to the old Bluez BT stack? I mean, using old Bluez on OTA24+? If I can find someone who know what they're doing, of course.
My guess is: probably not...

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/67772https://forums.ubports.com/post/67772Thu, 06 Oct 2022 20:39:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Current RC has bad bluetooth on Op5t on Thu, 06 Oct 2022 20:00:40 GMT]]>@moem Honestly I do not see what we can do other than to roll back to old Bluez, and disappointing the owners that tested already devices that work now, but never did before with UT. If this is what we should do, then we do it. But unless it breaks on all devices the benefits would outweigh the negative impacts

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/67771https://forums.ubports.com/post/67771Thu, 06 Oct 2022 20:00:40 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Current RC has bad bluetooth on Op5t on Wed, 05 Oct 2022 21:01:48 GMT]]>@yougo I wouldn't be surprised if this is not on the agenda as long as OTA24 isn't finished. And understandably so. Let's try and have a little patience. :relieved_face:

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/67761https://forums.ubports.com/post/67761Wed, 05 Oct 2022 21:01:48 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Current RC has bad bluetooth on Op5t on Wed, 05 Oct 2022 17:35:06 GMT]]>@flohack

Did you have a chance to look at it?
I've gone and tried wireshark.
i have no idea what i'm doing lol, but i managed to print out a packet list (both summary and all written out, one packet per page) of what i think are two complete cycles of finding, trusting, pairing, connecting and sadly disconnecting the Pebble.

i hope it helps

pebbledump summary.pdf
pebbledump.pdf

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/67758https://forums.ubports.com/post/67758Wed, 05 Oct 2022 17:35:06 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Current RC has bad bluetooth on Op5t on Sat, 01 Oct 2022 12:20:14 GMT]]>@flohack
pebbledump.log

pastebin of terminal output(as far as i could scroll back and copy)
i hope you can make sense of this?
the device is 'Pebble Time 3247, B0:B4:48:A3:32:47'. there's also a 'Pebble Time LE 3247' but that's a (useless) limited mode that should be ignored.

]]>https://forums.ubports.com/post/67647https://forums.ubports.com/post/67647Sat, 01 Oct 2022 12:20:14 GMT