@grenudi said: ... Dipping my hands into those projects ... and finally get working on perfecting the actual day to day use cases ... Hmmm - no such thing as perfecting, just iterating and releasing ... (hahaha) Embedded - Fun stuff, like my Fridge temp graph: Arduino, now ESP32, + 3.5" LCD, because I tried to find & buy one & nobody made what I wanted. I wanted Linux native on my phone, but my brains coding limit is ESP32 (maybe better in future with AI help...). Searched for years ! Fortunately, the UT devs finally got it to a point I can use it !

@Lakotaubp i hear you

@grenudi said: @oldbutndy said: Do you use claude for coding, as well as analysis / summary of things ? Yes. I want to advise you to own that execute button on any ai, especially claude, he loves to jump straight into execution, create ton of how to, code snippets fixes and so on, burning your tokens like a teenager his life. Own execution button ... ... Maybe you already know all that so sorry for the unasked advise. THANK YOU. I REALLY appreciate your insight on this. Always open to advice. I did not know it. I asked Claude, it answered. Got C++ code working (TFT LCD, WiFi NTP, RTC, SD micro, SDI temp sensor, LiPo monitor, etc). But I had no idea how many tokens I used. Then yesterday: Slow/No reply - then something like: " you have to wait until 8 pm." - HARD STOP - Ohhh, OK.

@undrwater @kugiigi @mrt10001 @chromiumos-guy let me llm it for you (@oldbutndy llm usefulness needless example) A few things stand out from the full thread worth noting: CiberSheep's argument is self-defeating "Ubuntu Touch is a left, top OS. It would be ideal if developers follow the Human Interface Guidelines and stop pushing bottom controls into apps." This is circular reasoning. The entire reason a global back gesture matters is precisely because you can't enforce where developers put their back button. Saying "just follow the HIG" is the problem statement, not a solution. Android had the same issue and solved it at the system level exactly so app developers couldn't break navigation. kugiigi is being honest but defeatist He built MariKit, has multiple personal experiments, clearly understands the problem — then concludes "it will be kind of pointless if it only works in certain apps." But that's exactly the argument for doing it at the compositor/shell level rather than the toolkit level. The toolkit approach failing doesn't mean the idea fails. MrT10001's "just use two hands" response Classic dismissal that undrwater correctly shot back on — accessibility isn't an edge case, it's a design requirement. One-handed use is a real scenario for anyone, not just people with disabilities. ChromiumOS-Guy comparing UT to iOS "We're kind of like iOS in this regard" Except iOS has had the left-edge swipe back gesture since 2013. That comparison actively proves the point rather than defending UT. The most revealing moment @kugiigi , who is clearly one of the most technically capable people in the thread, has already shipped working implementations in his own apps. The knowledge and the code exist. What's missing is someone with shell/compositor access deciding to make it a first-class feature — not a toolkit patch, but a proper gesture handled at the Lomiri level before it ever reaches the app. That's the actual gap.

@oldbutndy said: google quick search gets it wrong, and Dive Deeper gets it wrong, but people find UT device page and critical info NOT obvious, and new people waste time & money @oldbutndy Maybe it will be possible to establish CI/CD pipeline from gitlab that will populate a "tested features" table from commints from testers forks provet and merged. Or there are even easier tools for such pipeline, as it involves no code ondy results from testers. Maybe ubports already uses something similar to it like 'ig projects have, and something got lost in the process. Dont know where to direct these qustions tho, just thinking outloud. But doing those test results tables by hand is very tedious and error prone

@libremax @vlad-nirky @domubpkm @moem the person asking that question is not its own fault for not piecing togethere the answer himself, its a pattern, you can dismiss a person, but you can not dismiss a pattern. Rather than answearing the question here, maybe we can look at what can be done so that such questions will be answered before they land on the forum ? Making a page "where the thing are for ubuntu touch and where they are headed" and making a link to in surely visible for all new comers. For example. You've pointed out resources including merge messages, maybe it will be helpful to place links those references and explanations somewhere in one place, for newcomers to see. I dont know what exactly needs to be done for it, but we can disscuss that here, and maybe this itself will be tangiable way for @marcellotogg to participate, or for anyone else who's asking the same question right now

@Futura Wow, that's disappointing.

@Kadafi I have a FP5 and the 2FA app you are talking about installs without problem. Maybe it's because I'm on stable while by using daily you are exposing yourself to any fleeting update bug. The usual cause of this problem is network error. Try to download the click by hand using Morph QT6 browser and visiting open-store.io. If you can't download it, either your network is blocking somehow or your install is hosed (I have already warned you against this possibility, I'm still not convinced by your counter-arguments...) If you can, navigate to the resulting file and try to install it from there using the store app.

@pparent I enter the Open Store, seatch for a Authenticator app, Click on 2FA Manager, click on the green install button and the transfer animation stays forever.

actually this is been a few months coming

@AndroFree NEVER AND I MEAN NEVER RELOCK YOUR BOOTLOADER! .... i do not trust the xaiomi unlock process that much ...not a fan at all

@grief493 I see you have the right mindset for all this, better than the one I had when I was trying ubtouch, so I doubt my report will be of any use to you, you seem to have a sense of direction on your own. Anyway, thank you for your attention, and its a pleasure to see such a collective contribution mindset that you present. Best of luck!

@arubislander no ideia! It is what appears! I checked the data in the phone and it is the correct one.

@Moem You are welcome, hopefully this can help with your issue

Reporting back for future generations, I think I've found the issue. I was retracing my steps and found this: When installing postmarketOS there is a device specific instructionto run "fastboot oem uart enable" command. So I tried to run "fastboot oem uart disable" and then flash UT. So far working like a charm. Did a switch off, did a restart and all works as I'd expect it - also with Libertine set up.