Comparison of all kind of Linux Mobile Systems

kugiigi

@Mic_ Sailfish OS is indeed a great alternative mobile OS. Looks and works great. It's just that in my opinion, it doesn't offer any potential for the future because it's too mobile-centric.

Mic_

We could now have a long discussions if the future of an OS is an identical system which runs on all kinds of devices, which it is not from my point of view - but thats not the reason for this topic. I wanted to point out advantages and disadvantages or problems (like this one with android 9, which could in the future also be one for ut) of that what the market is offering.

But why ut is less mobile-centric? I don't find a lot about the core of Sailfish. Its based on Mer -> MeeGo -> Moblin, its middleware and should easily be adaptable to all kinds of devices: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MeeGo

dobey

@Mic_ said in Comparison of all kind of Linux Mobile Systems:

But why ut is less mobile-centric?

Convergence. The point is to be able to run the same OS on phone and PC, and have the same apps, security, and experience, across devices.

Mic_

@dobey Is there already an useful app which can be used on both (phone and PC)?

So for security issues it has advantages!? If somewhen the updates of Ubuntu LTS will be added to the mobile system as well!?

Mic_

A: Systems based on a PC-distribution

Plasma Mobile: plasma-mobile.org (based on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, etc)
PureOS (only for future Librem 5?): puri.sm (based on Debian-testing)
Ubuntu touch: ubuntu-touch.io (based on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS)

B. Systems without corresponding PC-distribution (mobile-centric OS)

LuneOS: webos-ports.org (based on Open webOS (LG))
Nemo Mobile: wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo (based on Mer/MeeGo Linux)
SailfishOS: sailfishos.org/ (based on Mer/MeeGo Linux (Jolla))
/e/ (Eelo): https://e.foundation (based on LineageOS 14)

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A Former User

@Mic_
My unending gratitude to @Krille for the Matrix client, FluffyChat, and the perfect notes app, Jotit, which are on both my phone, and my laptop.

Mic_

@3arn0wl Ok, didn't know. I use all of them - but only mobile.

A Former User

Actually, @Mic_, the answer I gave was only half correct... It's true that FluffyChat and Jotit (and other apps) are available for both the phone and lap/desktop, but what really needs to happen, imho, is for there to be common packaging - UBports UT uses click packaging, but it would be better to use Snap, so that a) the apps are identical and b) the developers don't have to do so much work... It would also make available a lot of other apps to use on the phone... even if it required a monitor and keyboard to be connected to do so effectively.

dobey

@Mic_ said in Comparison of all kind of Linux Mobile Systems:

@dobey Is there already an useful app which can be used on both (phone and PC)?

I use authenticator-ng daily on my PC. Most any of the other apps could also be built for PC. Apps that rely mostly and heavily on swipes may be more difficult to use though.

@Mic_ said in Comparison of all kind of Linux Mobile Systems:

So for security issues it has advantages!? If somewhen the updates of Ubuntu LTS will be added to the mobile system as well!?

Updates from 16.04 should get pulled in daily to the devel images, in general. Kernel updates don't apply of course, since we're using Android kernels for our current devices. And there are some things which we need to maintain packaging for, to be able to ship newer/fixed versions, which should not be updated from the Ubuntu main repos.

@3arn0wl said in Comparison of all kind of Linux Mobile Systems:

but what really needs to happen, imho, is for there to be common packaging - UBports UT uses click packaging, but it would be better to use Snap

Clicks can be installed just fine on PC. However, they need to be built for the architecture, or be arch all packages, (or you'll need an ARM PC). Though the problem here is running them under Xorg means significantly less security in place. Until Unity8 is working reliably on PCs, there will be some sacrifices there and with usability/integration.

A Former User

@dobey said in Comparison of all kind of Linux Mobile Systems:

Until Unity8 is working reliably on PCs...

How I long for that day!!

Mic_

@dobey said in Comparison of all kind of Linux Mobile Systems:

Updates from 16.04 should get pulled in daily to the devel images, in general.

Oh yes?! So all security updates of Ubuntu LTS are already been directly implemented into devel - and later into release.... Cool, didn't know that!

I don't know whow big the security advantage than is - compared with an open source (ONLY) mobile system, which probably never will have so many updates.

Mic_

I just got a document from Jolla regarding the problem with Android 9 and Sailfish OS installations. Interesting for me was that there seems NOT to be any way to install their system in the today status on Android 9 phones - so Jolla developed a way to degrade Android 9 phones to Android 8 - and than install SFOS.

So probably this idea could be regarded for other systems to!??