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I can fully understand the frustration. I felt the same way at times.
As many here have already written, the Pinephone will still take time and you should rather be happy about every improvement.
For me, I have solved this by having a Nexus 5 as a daily driver. Since I unfortunately have no programming skills, I just donate money and watch the development on the Pinephone.
Even if this takes longer from time to time.
Since I am dependent on SMS, it can unfortunately not yet be used as a daily driver.
with all other "bugs" I could live.
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I appreciate all the responses. Many of them were helpful to understand what's happening behind the scenes, so I appreciate the information. I should emphasize the fact that I am not a developer, but rather a consumer. I realize that it's easy to complain about something when you're not contributing to the development, but there's a reason for that. I'm 38 years old and I've never owned a smartphone in my entire life. I've never actually trusted a company to handle my private information, but when I saw the PinePhone hit the market (UBPorts edition), It was a dream come true. I honestly don't mean to take it out on the devs, because I know you're all working hard, but this was literally the first phone I've ever purchased and I can't even use it. That being said, I hope we'll get to see some progress before the years finished.
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@flohack Couldn't we start a crowdfunding campaign like the one for the Anbox?
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@c0n57an71n Sure but we also need someone with time and knowledge to work on it
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It's a bit weird that the best and most stable ubport experience is hidden away on the kernel upgrade channel. I am very happy with that version, but most people are running "stable" and many are experiencing phone blanking after the power button is pressed (fixed in kernel upgrade). source 1 source 2 source 3
It's also quicker and the modem is more stable.
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@equareo why not just declare that one the stable version and work off that one then? Honest question- not really a coder
Nerd with UT on a OnePlus One. OnePlus 6T waiting in the wings for VoLTE.
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@totalrando yeah, that was my point :beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes: I'm just a total rando though
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@totalrando the reason that hasn't been done is, regressions it still has regressions compared to the stable channel so untill those bugs are figured out, it'll be "hidden" away
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Lol 38 common ur a baby i started learning code at 48.
Help out the mobian or arch community with pinephone. If you put in a little effort everyday eventually youll be able to copy other peoples software and put it on ur OS of choice for everyone to enjoy.
I personally think UT is too polished(bloated) for an underpowered device like pinephone. I like UT and use as a daily driver, but just on a quicker device like my nexus 6p.
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One suggestion:
Create a forum post on the ubports subforum on pine64 and ask for help: Here and get it stickied.
Say what you are working on, and that you are looking for people to help out. Add a link to ubports forum for further communication.
I know you guys made a newspost with pine64 earlier, but not everyone reads that, and it's only "valid" for a month.
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@equareo I would love if you can do this for us, because that is what community is all about
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Sure, i can do that. I just thought that it coming from a developer would carry more weight.
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@unrealb2 said in Pinephone Rant:
I personally think UT is too polished(bloated) for an underpowered device like pinephone
On the contrary, UT is pretty spot on for what the pinephone hardware is. And if you find some odd things there, it's more than likely an actual bug with graphics or power management stack, than "bloat" in UT.
There's also a lot of room for performance improvement in the stack of software which makes up Lomiri, as much of it was written around Qt 5.2, and hasn't been kept up to par with improvements in upstream Qt. Many things in lomiri-ui-toolkit for example, just didn't exist back then in QtQuick, and I'm sure there's still plenty of funky assumptions throughout the code based on behavior in Qt 8 years ago.
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@dobey thats great news, so your saying theres definitely room for performance improvement. I look forward to seeing that.
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I think this is a reflection of the nature of the FOSS world. As a systems administrator and software engineer over the years, I've seen a number of cases of what I call the Hero Model of software engineering. One person has the interest, the focus and the energy to develop a project. I've seen amazing free software developed that way. Of course, there will be many other cases of different people creating the solution to the same problem, but working separately.Look at the PinePhone forums. There are close to 20 different combinations of OS, window systems and other fundamental variables. Each has a small number of people working on many solutions to one problem. Add in all the phone models, and wow, I'm amazing anything gets done. There are a lot of heroes doing what they can. Compare that to Google or Apple, with all the engineers they have focused on one OS for a small number of phones.
I have a Nexus 4 running UBports. There are still things that don't work there. More generally, it's always amazed me that there isn't a mail client installed by default. Dekko 2 has been Experimental for a long time. Camera doesn't work. Other problems have been reported. This is an old phone which has pretty official-looking support in UBports. I don't think it's a daily driver.
I'd like to have Touch on my Moto G7 Play. Halium? Okay, I'll accept that. But, there are lots of problems with the result. I don't think that's a daily driver.
Many of the supported phones for UBports don't have everything working. Fairphone 2 is probably the closest functionally to the PinePhone. It is a six year old phone. Flashlight and hotspot are partially working. Battery life isn't great.
The installation process, the website, the apps all look great in UBports. Touch is a really nice looking and feeling phone OS. I keep trying it and will continue to do so because I remain hopeful.
For the PinePhone, Mobian is best for me. Import stuff doesn't work, like the camera (well), MMS. It's not a daily driver. But, for example, some things are better, like a lot from the NextCloud server syncs to the phone, but in Touch only the Calendar syncs.
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I would have to agree with the OP, I appreciate all the work put into Ubuntu by so few people as like a passion project, but putting the UBPorts name on the Pinephone and doing almost nothing to support just seems wrong. If anything UBPorts should be focusing almost all their energy on an alternative phone like the Pinephone rather than old Android phones as it would create viable third option completely different than iOS or Android.
I mean Nexus 5 is good, but its a decade old, yet runs Ubuntu Touch well other than maybe MMS. Pinephone could be huge if only it was supported and developed. Pinephone should be a priority, the true linux based phone.
