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    Status of the Location Service (GPS, A-GPS, GLONASS, BeiDou, Galileo) ?

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        gpatel-fr @adorsaz
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        @adorsaz

        I have tried it on a FP5 and got absolutely nowhere - nothing at all. Got sidetracked by other problems.

        I have seen in one Gitlab issue that for some configuration (did not take any bookmark) someone got a resolution speed that could be compared to Android. So it seems that something good is possible when stars are aligned.
        Also, from what I understand, A-GPS is something fundamentally different from other Gps services; these services rely on different satellite networks, while A-GPS is software Gps, using existing servers that have Gps coordinates to complete the localization, allowing it to get a result faster still.
        I remember having seen on another Gitlab post that some work had started on A-GPS; as I have not seen any announce (that I could have missed of course), I tend to think it's not yet a thing.

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          Vlad Nirky @gpatel-fr
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          @gpatel-fr
          If Waydroid is installed, you can use AGPS from the Android app (as Satstat) to get GPS fixed in less than 50 seconds. Then UT will be fixed too.

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            ikoz @gpatel-fr
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            @gpatel-fr Actually all that A-GPS does is significantly (normal GPS is 50b/s) speed up downloading the satellite orbital data (almanac and ephimeris) through cell towers. It can also help with the triangulation as the phone knows it's near to the cell tower.

            May the source be with you

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              gpatel-fr @Vlad Nirky
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              @Vlad-Nirky

              thanks for the tip, I have SatStat running since half an hour now on the phone, alas it don't find me any latitude nor longitude. Displays lots of small red bars and says Satellites 0/30, from the few I understand it's not very good :-). Either I missed something in the config options, or the problem with FP5 Gps is too basic for SatStat to solve.

              Running Waydroid for the first time on the UT phone is a bit disturbing experience but diving into that would be off-topic here.

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                gpatel-fr @gpatel-fr
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                said in Status of the Location Service (GPS, A-GPS, GLONASS, BeiDou, Galileo) ?:

                Either I missed something in the config options

                actually I missed something even more basic and it is that Gps signal is a lot weaker than phone, so I only tried in 2 parts of my home and I got nothing, but when I got out in the air, the phone eventually found a signal. Thanks to @Vlad-Nirky for helping to correct my foolishness. I have marked as solved the topic I created about that.

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                  adorsaz @Vlad Nirky
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                  @Vlad-Nirky thanks for this hint, this is way better with such applications. I used GPSTest which shows a sky map with available satellites and their type.

                  It showed me lot of GPS and GLONASS sattelites in my area and only one Galileo (I'm located in Europe that surprised me).

                  When the location has been fixed, it used only GPS ones. I tested only 5 minutes that can be just a coincidence.

                  As these applocations can leverage the A-GPS system, could it be possible to do the same in Ubuntu Touch applications and/or system ?

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                    Moem @adorsaz
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                    @adorsaz said in Status of the Location Service (GPS, A-GPS, GLONASS, BeiDou, Galileo) ?:

                    As these applocations can leverage the A-GPS system, could it be possible to do the same in Ubuntu Touch applications and/or system ?

                    Waydroid applications probably get their A-GPS from Google; if that's the case, that's a privacy issue which we want to avoid in UT. But I've heard that a Googlefree version of A-GPS is being worked on.

                    Is currently using an Op5t
                    Also owns an Op1, a BQ E4.5 and an Xperia X, as well as a BQ tablet and a Pinetab2. Please, someone... make it stop.

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                      Vlad Nirky @Moem
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                      @Moem
                      From Google?
                      Any evidence of this?

                      I thought it was those:
                      XTRA_SERVER_1=https://xtrapath1.izatcloud.net/xtra3grc.bin
                      XTRA_SERVER_2=https://xtrapath2.izatcloud.net/xtra3grc.bin
                      XTRA_SERVER_3=https://xtrapath3.izatcloud.net/xtra3grc.bin

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                        Moem @Vlad Nirky
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                        @Vlad-Nirky No evidence, and it may be a misunderstanding on my end. As for what you posted, I don't know what any of that means.

                        Is currently using an Op5t
                        Also owns an Op1, a BQ E4.5 and an Xperia X, as well as a BQ tablet and a Pinetab2. Please, someone... make it stop.

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                          gpatel-fr @Moem
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                          @Moem said in Status of the Location Service (GPS, A-GPS, GLONASS, BeiDou, Galileo) ?:

                          I don't know what any of that means

                          it's a service provided by Qualcomm

                          https://calyxos.org/docs/guide/security/network-activity/

                          http://izatcloud.net/

                          See an analysis here:

                          https://ti.qianxin.com/blog/articles/Analysis-of-the-Hidden-Backdoor-Event-in-Qualcomm-GPS-Service-EN/

                          TLDR: backdoor is too strong a word, but there are privacies issues. If the software is rewritten as open source, this could be less problematic.

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                            Moem @gpatel-fr
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                            @gpatel-fr said in Status of the Location Service (GPS, A-GPS, GLONASS, BeiDou, Galileo) ?:

                            TLDR: backdoor is too strong a word, but there are privacies issues.

                            Well, then I was only mistaken about Google being the culprit here. Thank you.

                            Is currently using an Op5t
                            Also owns an Op1, a BQ E4.5 and an Xperia X, as well as a BQ tablet and a Pinetab2. Please, someone... make it stop.

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