@grenudi said in We Drop Ubuntu Touch Entirely:

500+ device ports versus Ubuntu Touch's approximately 50

uh? I am currently evaluating my options on getting a so called 'smart' phone again without Google and of course Apple, and from what I see PostmarketOS has ONE (1) device that can (more or less) qualify as 'daily driver': the Pinephone. Not sure if it's even compatible with the carriers in MY country.
My understanding is that UT has about 10.
From this point of view, UT has more coverage but if you have lot of credible stories of people using Volla or Google or Fairphone or Samsung devices under PostmarketOS as their daily drivers, I am all ears.
By the way your expletives about the forum are making you seem like a troll. Sorry but that's very much what it looks. This forum is working really well and I'm favourably impressed by NodeBB.

@shano said in Why is Wayland compositor and Lomiri so far in terms of functionality compared to Compiz and Unity7 released some 20 years ago?:

Compiz was released in 2006 and is still maintained. Unity7 was released in 2010 and is still maintained. My question is why Wayland and Lomiri are so far away in terms of functionality, plugins etc. compared to tech made 20 years ago.

Are we building on top or reinventing the wheel?

From what I see, Lomiri is not reinventing Unity 8, it is Unity 8.
I downloaded the Lomiri source code and counted roughly 18000 commits between 2013 and 2017 (end of Ubuntu involvement) and 1400 commits between 2018 and 2025. The main reason is probably that Unity was a business project with serious resources behind it, while Lomiri (the new name for Unity 8 since 2020) is an open source project with a few part time volunteers. Also, it may be that there was so much work in Unity that there is not a lot of new development necessary, the bulk of new work being in other parts of the full (and huge) smart phone stack. I did not count but I think that a large part of these 1400 commits are just translations.

I don't know Compiz but I tracked the project in its last hideout on Gitlab and counted about 30 commits in last 5 years, 20 of them in 2020. It's maintained in the most limited sense, there is almost no development.

@poVoq

hello, not the dev here - but the links are not broken for me. The app is supposed to be based on

https://github.com/luigi311/ConverseJS-ubports

the links are a bit strange though (why not a software forge ? if the author don't like Github, there are other such as codeberg...). It's not stated in the original repo that the author has given up. Personally I'd not use this software without more information.

@t12392n said in We Drop Ubuntu Touch Entirely:

atm I cannot use it as a daily...

hmm, is it about Volte or your bank don't like Waydroid ? if the latter, it's not quite entirely the OS fault's.

@t12392n

thanks for the explanation.
I wonder how disabled people (the ones that may have trouble using a terminal as small as a phone) fares in this scheme.

Also, unfortunately for Linux devices such as Ubuntu Touch, betting all on a device that has a gigantic attack surface - the smartphone has typically 3 open connections (radio, wifi, bluetooth) and connects to typically one software store with many apps, with automatic update turned on for everything - pretty well ensures that only systems provided by big Daddy Google or big Daddy Apple will be considered secure enough for general use by a population not especially well versed in security. I am going to get a device that will get UT next week but I'm not keen on doing banking on it. Using old kernel and old binary drivers don't seem to be a good thing with so dangerously exposed devices.

@adorsaz

I have tried it on a FP5 and got absolutely nowhere - nothing at all. Got sidetracked by other problems.

I have seen in one Gitlab issue that for some configuration (did not take any bookmark) someone got a resolution speed that could be compared to Android. So it seems that something good is possible when stars are aligned.
Also, from what I understand, A-GPS is something fundamentally different from other Gps services; these services rely on different satellite networks, while A-GPS is software Gps, using existing servers that have Gps coordinates to complete the localization, allowing it to get a result faster still.
I remember having seen on another Gitlab post that some work had started on A-GPS; as I have not seen any announce (that I could have missed of course), I tend to think it's not yet a thing.

@Linuxlite76 said in calls and internet:

my mobile date will not work at all

I assume that you wanted to write 'my mobile data', so your meaning is that you can't for example surf on the net with Morph right ? if yes, is cellular data disabled in the settings ? and if you open a shell, can you ping for example 1.1.1.1 and if not is there any change in the output of 'ip a' and 'route -n' before and after the problem ?

@t12392n said in We Drop Ubuntu Touch Entirely:

1Password

it seems that the provider of this software already provides a snap for x86, so maybe you could try to ask them if they could build it for ARM64 ? or even try to search the snap store in the unlikely case where they had already done the job but not yet updated their web site ?

@johndoe said in Call for testing: Ubuntu Touch 24.04-1.1:

The stable channel is usually the one you want as the end user

stable was the first installation I did, and I switched deliberately to daily to see if any of the problems I noticed on stable would be fixed.

@messayisto

I have seen this invalid number in my logs too, so I think it's just an invalid input in address management, nothing related to telephony by itself.

@messayisto said in Call for testing: Ubuntu Touch 24.04-1.1:

Are you interested in the logs from now?

depends, if they are markedly different from mine yes (apart of the phone numbers that you should not forget to mask IMO). I had missed previously that the location where I test is marginal, depending on the windows and doors opened and possibly even weather I can get 5G and if not it's bad 3G or even LTE so I don't know if my log messages are typical and even what kind of connection was actually used when I got a Sms successfully.

It could be interesting as a reference to know if you still see messages such as 'The phone number is not a valid number'

said in Status of the Location Service (GPS, A-GPS, GLONASS, BeiDou, Galileo) ?:

Either I missed something in the config options

actually I missed something even more basic and it is that Gps signal is a lot weaker than phone, so I only tried in 2 parts of my home and I got nothing, but when I got out in the air, the phone eventually found a signal. Thanks to @Vlad-Nirky for helping to correct my foolishness. I have marked as solved the topic I created about that.

Duh ! I will close this stoopid post, I had not used seriously a smartphone since several years and did not realize anymore how sensitive to location Gps services are. I tried only in 2 places in my home and both where unsuitable. When I got out in the air, Gps started to work. So it is working, really. I did a stroll this morning and it updated its position. I have still to get my hands to another brand of smartphone on Android to compare with the Fairphone 5 under UT to see how well it is working.

@peat_psuwit said in Call for testing: Ubuntu Touch 24.04-1.1:

Could you please elaborate on "noise" and "keys"?

the keyboard sound option under 'Langage & Settings'. I solved this (IMO) highly unpleasant sound level by unsetting this option after upgrading. I would 100% have noticed if this sound option was effective (produced this sound) before the upgrade. I am 99% sure I did not enable this option by error (I did not even know it existed).

@peat_psuwit said in Call for testing: Ubuntu Touch 24.04-1.1:

send file journal.log?

attached.
Note that I know why there are deny messages for ntp servers. It's the firewall on my installation (not ufw - a site firewall) blocking ntp for devices on wifi (these devices can only ping and https/https)
journal.log

@peat_psuwit said in Call for testing: Ubuntu Touch 24.04-1.1:

I cannot reproduce this on my FP5

re: rotation: yes as I said in another post, the problem went away on its own after a crash (?) of my phone.

@peat_psuwit said in Call for testing: Ubuntu Touch 24.04-1.1:

Images in the RC channel are actually images from Daily channel being copied to RC channel. So I have no idea why that happens...

yes it's very surprising. Maybe there was something strange with the update process ? did you use it on your device, actually (go from daily to rc) ?

I am in 2 minds of EITHER going back to daily and upgrading again (but if I understand correctly, this would not redo exactly what I did since daily would then not be the same daily that I started from) OR just install the RC directly with the installer and see what happens.

I can wipe my data without problem, I have only 2 days of use and phone & sms history don't matter much to me.

@Vlad-Nirky

thanks for the tip, I have SatStat running since half an hour now on the phone, alas it don't find me any latitude nor longitude. Displays lots of small red bars and says Satellites 0/30, from the few I understand it's not very good :-). Either I missed something in the config options, or the problem with FP5 Gps is too basic for SatStat to solve.

Running Waydroid for the first time on the UT phone is a bit disturbing experience but diving into that would be off-topic here.

@adorsaz

I have tried it on a FP5 and got absolutely nowhere - nothing at all. Got sidetracked by other problems.

I have seen in one Gitlab issue that for some configuration (did not take any bookmark) someone got a resolution speed that could be compared to Android. So it seems that something good is possible when stars are aligned.
Also, from what I understand, A-GPS is something fundamentally different from other Gps services; these services rely on different satellite networks, while A-GPS is software Gps, using existing servers that have Gps coordinates to complete the localization, allowing it to get a result faster still.
I remember having seen on another Gitlab post that some work had started on A-GPS; as I have not seen any announce (that I could have missed of course), I tend to think it's not yet a thing.

I said in Call for testing: Ubuntu Touch 24.04-1.1:

automatic screen rotation does not work for me with RC (FP5)

oh well it's like a very bad movie.
a few minutes ago I found the phone black on my table, I had left it for a few minutes unattended. I expected to wake up by a single press on power button, but I had to press for at least 10 seconds to get a boot. When starting, the phone asked me for the wifi password (it was saved obviously). I declined and completed the boot, after wise I checked the wifi and it was connected with the saved password. In the logs the computer was back on 11 July, after that there was this message:

juil. 11 20:52:59 ubuntu-phablet systemd[1]: Finished snapd.apparmor.service - Load AppArmor profiles managed internally by snapd.
oct. 31 14:54:46 ubuntu-phablet systemd-timesyncd[1009]: System clock time unset or jumped backwards, restored from recorded timestamp: Fri 2025-10-31 14:54:46 CET

and then I noticed that automatic rotation was working again. Yuck.

Sms is still working for me in both directions though, so not all is lost

Edit: forgot to mention that battery is yet far above 50%

@peat_psuwit

automatic screen rotation does not work for me with RC (FP5)

In fairness, I have spent only 2 days with 24.04 stable and one day with 24.04 daily so I can't be 100% sure that rotation worked with daily. However I'm sure that it was working at least with stable.
I think that it was working with daily because it's something one notice very fast normally. And yes the setting 'rotation lock' is disabled and enabling/disabling it did not restore automatic screen rotation.

I did not look carefully in the sensor app at the gyroscope output so I'm not sure if something is wrong here - the changes are happening so fast that it's almost impossible to evaluate.

@Linuxlite76 said in calls and internet:

my mobile date will not work at all

I assume that you wanted to write 'my mobile data', so your meaning is that you can't for example surf on the net with Morph right ? if yes, is cellular data disabled in the settings ? and if you open a shell, can you ping for example 1.1.1.1 and if not is there any change in the output of 'ip a' and 'route -n' before and after the problem ?