@grenudi said in We Drop Ubuntu Touch Entirely:

500+ device ports versus Ubuntu Touch's approximately 50

uh? I am currently evaluating my options on getting a so called 'smart' phone again without Google and of course Apple, and from what I see PostmarketOS has ONE (1) device that can (more or less) qualify as 'daily driver': the Pinephone. Not sure if it's even compatible with the carriers in MY country.
My understanding is that UT has about 10.
From this point of view, UT has more coverage but if you have lot of credible stories of people using Volla or Google or Fairphone or Samsung devices under PostmarketOS as their daily drivers, I am all ears.
By the way your expletives about the forum are making you seem like a troll. Sorry but that's very much what it looks. This forum is working really well and I'm favourably impressed by NodeBB.

@shano said in Why is Wayland compositor and Lomiri so far in terms of functionality compared to Compiz and Unity7 released some 20 years ago?:

Compiz was released in 2006 and is still maintained. Unity7 was released in 2010 and is still maintained. My question is why Wayland and Lomiri are so far away in terms of functionality, plugins etc. compared to tech made 20 years ago.

Are we building on top or reinventing the wheel?

From what I see, Lomiri is not reinventing Unity 8, it is Unity 8.
I downloaded the Lomiri source code and counted roughly 18000 commits between 2013 and 2017 (end of Ubuntu involvement) and 1400 commits between 2018 and 2025. The main reason is probably that Unity was a business project with serious resources behind it, while Lomiri (the new name for Unity 8 since 2020) is an open source project with a few part time volunteers. Also, it may be that there was so much work in Unity that there is not a lot of new development necessary, the bulk of new work being in other parts of the full (and huge) smart phone stack. I did not count but I think that a large part of these 1400 commits are just translations.

I don't know Compiz but I tracked the project in its last hideout on Gitlab and counted about 30 commits in last 5 years, 20 of them in 2020. It's maintained in the most limited sense, there is almost no development.

@uxes said in Enabling MAC randomization:

shipped on our system by default

I am not sure that any phone is doing that by default.
It has also a downside for anyone using this phone with ssh, that is, the IP address affected by the Dhcp server (the wifi access point) will change often.
It's not a big deal but it can be annoying.

@Moem said in Status of the Location Service (GPS, A-GPS, GLONASS, BeiDou, Galileo) ?:

I don't know what any of that means

it's a service provided by Qualcomm

https://calyxos.org/docs/guide/security/network-activity/

http://izatcloud.net/

See an analysis here:

https://ti.qianxin.com/blog/articles/Analysis-of-the-Hidden-Backdoor-Event-in-Qualcomm-GPS-Service-EN/

TLDR: backdoor is too strong a word, but there are privacies issues. If the software is rewritten as open source, this could be less problematic.

@poVoq

hello, not the dev here - but the links are not broken for me. The app is supposed to be based on

https://github.com/luigi311/ConverseJS-ubports

the links are a bit strange though (why not a software forge ? if the author don't like Github, there are other such as codeberg...). It's not stated in the original repo that the author has given up. Personally I'd not use this software without more information.

@t12392n

thanks for the explanation.
I wonder how disabled people (the ones that may have trouble using a terminal as small as a phone) fares in this scheme.

Also, unfortunately for Linux devices such as Ubuntu Touch, betting all on a device that has a gigantic attack surface - the smartphone has typically 3 open connections (radio, wifi, bluetooth) and connects to typically one software store with many apps, with automatic update turned on for everything - pretty well ensures that only systems provided by big Daddy Google or big Daddy Apple will be considered secure enough for general use by a population not especially well versed in security. I am going to get a device that will get UT next week but I'm not keen on doing banking on it. Using old kernel and old binary drivers don't seem to be a good thing with so dangerously exposed devices.

Duh ! I will close this stoopid post, I had not used seriously a smartphone since several years and did not realize anymore how sensitive to location Gps services are. I tried only in 2 places in my home and both where unsuitable. When I got out in the air, Gps started to work. So it is working, really. I did a stroll this morning and it updated its position. I have still to get my hands to another brand of smartphone on Android to compare with the Fairphone 5 under UT to see how well it is working.

@adorsaz

I have tried it on a FP5 and got absolutely nowhere - nothing at all. Got sidetracked by other problems.

I have seen in one Gitlab issue that for some configuration (did not take any bookmark) someone got a resolution speed that could be compared to Android. So it seems that something good is possible when stars are aligned.
Also, from what I understand, A-GPS is something fundamentally different from other Gps services; these services rely on different satellite networks, while A-GPS is software Gps, using existing servers that have Gps coordinates to complete the localization, allowing it to get a result faster still.
I remember having seen on another Gitlab post that some work had started on A-GPS; as I have not seen any announce (that I could have missed of course), I tend to think it's not yet a thing.

@Linuxlite76 said in calls and internet:

my mobile date will not work at all

I assume that you wanted to write 'my mobile data', so your meaning is that you can't for example surf on the net with Morph right ? if yes, is cellular data disabled in the settings ? and if you open a shell, can you ping for example 1.1.1.1 and if not is there any change in the output of 'ip a' and 'route -n' before and after the problem ?

@ozzy03 said in Fingerprint:

I downgraded to android 13 and then installed UT

thanks for the info
to make things absolutely clear, I asked specifically about the possibility of installing without downgrading to 13 - as current Fairphone 5 are (for now) produced with 14, so when you say you 'downgraded to 13', did you did that because

1)you followed dutifully the official procedure and never had a working fingerprint sensor (as I did), or

2. you did a 'naive' installation based on 14, had a working fingerprint sensor, and just tried to install again after downgrading the android base version and then have a not working fingerprint sensor ?

asking because I still have the idea to try to install again over 14, but I always have something else to try on my new toy :-). If 2) is the correct answer, I'd be more motivated to wipe everything and install again. I'm still curious to experiment myself if manufacturers like Fairphone being given the possibility to install different versions of Android while keeping the same Vndk still applies.

@uxes

encrypting logs would mean that no software could run before having entered a decryption key.
Using a phone to call for help would be impossible for a person not having the code. Could be awkward at times. Or even legally dubious.

@debcedric

qu'est exactement le 'logo de charge' ? est ce que c'est l'image d'une batterie en train de se charger ? Si oui, ça n'est pas géré au niveau d'Ubuntu Touch pour autant que je le sache, ça dépend du firmware du téléphone. Donc la première chose à faire est d'appuyer longtemps sur le bouton marche/arrêt (au moins 10 secondes si ce n'est plus) pour essayer de le débloquer. Si la batterie est amovible l'enlever pendant une minute.

What exactly is the 'charge logo' ? is it the image of battery in the process of loading ? If yes, that's not managed by Ubuntu Touch as far as I know, it depends on the phone firmware. First thing to do is long press on the On/Off button (at least 10 s if not more) to try to get the phone out of this stuck state. If battery is removable, try to remove it and put it back after a minute or so.

@pparent said in Idea: overlayfs for user terminal:

-Can I interact with files from the host system with tools from the libertine container?

when inside the container you are confined, you can interact with directories shared with the main computer, that means data directories, to the exclusion of configuration of applications external to the container. That may or not be a good thing if the primary concern is the security of hapless users or the liberty of the brave developer (sometimes the 2 types are the same as it is the case for developers caught in supply chain traps )

(py312) phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ cd .config
(py312) phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~/.config$ ls
 8192.alaskalinuxuser   chromium               evolution                   google-chrome       maliit.org              music.ubports              steps.s60w79        themeswitch.danfro           vivaldi
 address-book.ubports   clock.ubports          filemanager.ubports         libaccounts-glib    messaging-app.ubports   notes.ubports              sterlingpdf         uhome.alaskalinuxuser        weather.ubports
 BraveSoftware          connectivity-service   forums-ubports-com.webber   lomiri              microsoft-edge          openstore.openstore-team   systemd            'Unknown Organization'
 calendar.ubports       dconf                  gallery.ubports             Lomiri              mirvncserver.abmyii     procps                     telephony-service   user-dirs.dirs
 camera.ubports         dialer-app.ubports     glib-2.0                    lomiri-ui-toolkit   morph-browser           pulse                      terminal.ubports    ut-tweak-tool.sverzegnassi
(py312) phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~/.config$ libertine-container-manager exec -i noble -c bash
groups: impossible de trouver le nom pour l'ID de groupe 32011
Je n'ai pas de nom !@ubuntu-phablet:~/.config$ ls
dconf  discoverrc  okularrc
Je n'ai pas de nom !@ubuntu-phablet:~/.config$ 

while '.config' exists in the container and in the main system, they are not the same thing (not shared). 'Documents', 'Videos', 'Pictures', are shared. That's typical for flatpak applications - Libertine use the same tool (bwrap).

@nielsbasjes said in Enabling MAC randomization:

none (not even the current one)

Now, even when I don't see the other access points, which is quite often when I swipe out the settings and come back in it, I always see my own access point with "Connected" in green. Like I said, I only see the other access points when first enabling Wifi (and it don't crash the phone, but that's another story).
I'm curious how it appears, could you share a screenshot please ?

@nielsbasjes

that's a bit annoying that the same change on the same hardware leads to 2 different results. There must be a reason but it's difficult to imagine it. As for the moment there is no one to step up to share a result in a different context and I'm definitely not about to buy a new phone to do a different test. I will wait for an idea to come to me

@ikoz said in Idea: overlayfs for user terminal:

just copy the executable from the .deb to .local/

actually even an utility like ncdu requires a library, unless one downloads a self contained executable from the author's site, but that's not the case for the Ubuntu generated binary. Fiddling with LD_LOAD is more complicated than libertine-container-manager IMO.

Edit: I forgot to say that your approach requires also to apt-download, mkdir, dpkg --extract, cp. It's pushing a bit far the hate of new technology (new as of 2008 in the case of containers).

@pparent said in Idea: overlayfs for user terminal:

to do complicated things with libertine

if the goal is installing small utilities, and you know about apt update and apt install, all that is needed is to learn to do things like

libertine-container-manager install-package -p ncdu
libertine-container-manager install-package -p fdisk
libertine-container-manager install-package -p apt-file

and then

libertine-launch -i noble bash

to actually use the installed packages.

@sixwheeledbeast said in Call for testing: Ubuntu Touch 24.04-1.1:

I believe you are experiencing:-
https://gitlab.com/ubports/porting/reference-device-ports/android11/fairphone-5/fairphone-fp5/-/issues/37

This is possible, since one comment from 4 days ago says it was happening with Wifi. I never use airplane mode since I don't use planes however every time I go out with my FP5 I switch wifi off to save a bit of battery so I can assert that it is not a rare problem, I see it clearly more than half the time. But yes, the symptoms are the same.

said in Call for testing: Ubuntu Touch 24.04-1.1:

i'll try to find a micro sd card

I had one just now and it mounted without problem, I could write a file on it so basically I can't reproduce.
There was a problem reading the file back on the other device, this device recognized that there was a file with a non null size, however it could not display it as a photo - although before changing the sdcard back to the other device, I could still display it fine on the phone itself. Maybe I have not done it the right way, I would need more tests. But I could not reproduce the problem of the sdcard mounted read only.

@peat_psuwit

I upgraded my FP5 without much problem (I'd assume that it's just a software 'feature' that after the upgrade is finished the button is stuck at 'upgrading' and it needs a press on it for a dialog to appear to reboot the phone ?), at first I noticed nothing, now I have noticed a more annoying problem but I'm not sure it's new with RC2, maybe I did not notice it with RC1, but I'm almost sure that I would have noticed it when I ran 24.04 daily: when I disable Wifi and enable it again, I see the big list of Wifi access point , I then exit settings by pushing it out in the UT task selector, when I get into the settings again and disable Wifi then exit settings like before, and then enter again in settings and enable Wifi, the switch does not turn green and the phone reboots by itself. The wifi is not enabled after the reboot but I can then enable it without reboot.

Not sure of the exact steps, maybe it takes one repeat or two, but the reboot is very reproducible.