@RapidRotator said in Why does UT not have assisted GPS?:

I'll look into it then

you can begin with this issue
You'll note that there is a privacy concern too; if UT devs were ready to trample it, it would be easier.

@kugiigi said in Tip: call a contact with one hand (secret UT key !):

This is definitely a bug

If you say so, however if I can insist, the phone would actually be more usable and intuitive if the icon for adding a contact could be copied, removing the '+' and left displayed by default. Going in the contacts app using the top right button feels cumbersome to me in comparison, needs attention to press the right button, easy when confortably sit at a desk, less so when walking in a street, half of the time I press the wrong button, or I need to stop walking and look carefully at the phone screen.

Unrelated: when displaying the recent calls list and selecting one (that's also an operation difficult to do with one hand BTW), the add to contact is then made visible and I don't see the logic why because if clicking it, the selected number is not proposed for a new contact.
My first intuition is that the add to contact (the character symbol with a '+') should be displayed only after pressed the '+' button. Minor gripe but this is a very important app for an object that is still often called a phone instead of a pocket computer.

@kugiigi said in Tip: call a contact with one hand (secret UT key !):

if you're old enough, you can actually search for a contact using T9 typing

I never even noticed the letters below the numbers. Maybe it's because I have actually used an old school phone, with these things, it's enabled only in text fields, when composing a number to call, it does not work, typing a '3' produces a '3' and that's exactly what it is doing in the phone app - so if it's possible to use the phone keypad to search a contact, it's not obvious enough for me to use it even knowing now it's supposed to be possible !
To be complete, I have noticed that sometimes a contact list is displayed below the keypad but I have never found the magic wand that I used to display it without intending. If it was a desktop app at this point I'd press F1 to get online help...

@lduboeuf said in Tip: call a contact with one hand (secret UT key !):

it shows the contact profile even in edit mode on click, instead of filling the number

I think I understand what you mean, it seems that toucning the area above the hidden button triggers the add mode - the button with the character and a '+' is displayed in this case. However when it's not, pressing the icon or the name in the contacts list does fill the number for me.

@DJac said in Tip: call a contact with one hand (secret UT key !):

it is probably a bug.

I have not tracked when this feature was added.

The hidden button is exactly where the button to add a contact appears when the extra tiny '+' button under the '0' is pressed.

However, it's not behaving the same: when it's visible, the contacts app is entered in edit mode; when it's not, selecting a contact triggers a return to the phone app. It's as if it was intended to be displayed, but not having a different icon available and displaying the same icon in the 2 cases would be confusing, the approach has been to keep the button hidden - but still active because it's useful - even if one uses the phone with 2 hands because the button displayed at the top right, that does exactly the same thing, is also so small it's really difficult to use it.

Hello

following a recent discussion where I have argued that using a phone with one hand was not a generally useful feature, I'll make a little exception here

Since most people talk to a correspondant on their phone using one hand, it could be nice to call with one hand too. Unfortunately, this is not an easy thing to do because most of the time, calling is really calling a known correspondant where the number is not memorized, hence the use of the contacts application: and it's very difficult to press the very small icon amid 2 other small icons in the upper right of the screen while holding the phone with the left hand. Using first the contacts application is not a good workaround since selection of a correspondant displays it and it's then necessary to press the small button at the opposite side of the screen to go to the phone app.

Here is the trick (maybe everyone knows it already ) !
There ie a secret way to open the contacts application from the phone:

touching the area to the left of the main phone green button starts the contacts app, this area is a lot more easier to thumb while holding the phone with only the left hand. It's then possible to swipe the list with the thumb, press the appropriate contact and then the phone app comes back to focus with the right number ready to call.

Honestly this looks like a bug, but it's handy once it's known.

said in Enabling MAC randomization:

I'll see how it works.

10 days later, I have not seen any problem running with Mac randomization, and I use Wifi every day.

On the 'getting the list of stations' subject, I have noticed something new: when I go to Wifi settings and there is nothing displayed (except the access point the phone is connected to, that is), if in a (ssh) console I enter

sudo iw dev wlan0 scan

the phone screen displays magically the list that was scanned. I don't know what this could mean, maybe the list is cached somewhere and sometimes the cache is stale and not refreshed automatically or it's something else. The cache hypothesis is confirmed just now, I had left displayed a list of wifi stations, left the phone rest for some time, after unlocking it the list has disappeared.

There is a wrinckle though: sometimes entering the refresh command, the reply of the command is 'scan aborted!'. This could also be what happens when it does not work. Unfortunately in both cases, the command is displayed in the system journal, but when something goes wrong nothing more is displayed. Sometimes the list vary from one execution to the next a few seconds later, but maybe it's because it's radio after all. Or there is a too short timeout. More investigation is needed (but I'm not giving up, this is only a follow-up).

Last thing: the 'scan' command has a [randomise[=<addr>/<mask>] flag, so the randomization can be at 2 levels (scan and normal use) and can not to be done at the scan level, although I don't see why this could have 2 different results on 2 configuration that seem the same. I don't even know why there are 2 levels in the Mac randomization. The only thing I know for sure is that there are some wifi hardware/firmware/driver (?) that do not support Mac randomization (because I have read it in the configuration files for the FP5) so it could be remotely possible that some configuration don't support the randomization at the scan level while supporting it for normal use.

@GooglyBear said in GPS don't seem to work on FP5 UT 24.04 stable:

a GitLab issue to follow progress for Fairphone 5

AGPS is not really linked to a specific port (even if it can work on some devices it seems, but it's mostly unintended). It's tracked here

@fair said in Things which made me postpone buying another phone to try linux:

holding the phone with one hand

Well, I use to actually walk in the street without a phone at all, so I have my eyes available to look at where I go and also other people; my personal polling is that 99% of people are holding their phone firmly in their two hands (except when they are using their phone as well, a phone, and then they use only one hand but they are just talking and listening, not trying to enter commands on their phone)
So I think that your critic, while valid per se, is not of concern in the real world of average people who are not acrobats of the phone handling. Average people who are trying to use their phone with one hand while walking are sooner than later coming to a phone repair shop.
A much better way to allow UT phone to be used one handed (or any phone really) would be to integrate the recent work to allow piloting the phone with vocal commands.

@Escain

I have exactly this when enabling wifi; see this issue
As the fix is supposed to be in a branch more advanced than the stable one I (and you) use, my solution for now is try to not disable wifi until the software is updated.

@bbiw said in Bug report - new 24.04-1.1 release:

i have no gitlab account

the gitlab home page may lead to think that getting an account to report on existing projects is a paying feature, but it's not. Click as if you want to sign in and there is a link to register below the Connection button.

@pparent

Logic would say the installer on Github. However the issues are not actively followed, it's obvious that there is not a lot of people monitoring or even janitoring the list. So maybe give a first try to the port for your device, after all we don't know if there are special handling per device for this.

@fairose said in No internet connection since update to 24.04-1.1 on FP4:

sudo nmcli c dwn wg0

nmcli man page says that this is not preventing the connection to come back later to haunt you

it says further:

 In most cases you may want to use device down command instead.

@fairose said in No internet connection since update to 24.04-1.1 on FP4:

Where could I remove/deactivate the wireguard-config and go back to direct internet connection?

I have no experience at all with wireguard, on UT or elsewhere so an immediate reply on this will have to wait a bit until I reload my battery

@GooglyBear said in No internet connection since update to 24.04-1.1 on FP4:

is there something I should try for fixing DNS

should you try to fix it or install daily ? I'd say that it's up to you; if the problem is generic to your install you may have it with daily too.

Dns servers are normally setup automatically by your configuration, for cellular network by the phone provider. If cellular data is not working normally, you won't have any dns server; however as you can access a site by IP address that should not be the case.

I did not check in your previous posts if you have wifi, a badly configured wifi network will precede the cellular configuration and may be the reason for your problems.
In the case of wifi, it's the wifi access point that usually gives an IP address and the connections details such as the Dns servers, but sometimes on local configurations things are more complex and conflicts can happen. If for example you have 2 dhcp servers on the same network, often bad things happen.

@fairose

dev wg0 means wireguard right ? so you do have a vpn installed and it's this piece of software that is returning error messages when you are trying to access the network (10.8.0.3 is on the wg network).
I'd suggest to uninstall wireguard and test the internet access. First you must have basic internet access, then a vpn if the basic internet access works.

@GooglyBear said in No internet connection since update to 24.04-1.1 on FP4:

Error: net::ERR_NAME_NOT_RESOLVED

This is not the same problem, here clearly it's DNS.
The following piece should output your Dns servers:

gdbus introspect --system --dest org.freedesktop.NetworkManager --object-path /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager --recurse --only-properties | grep name | grep -v Filename

without outputting tons of irrelevant info. At least it works on my phone

@fairose

If I may presume of your debugging enthusiasm, what's the output of
ip route

normally when wifi is enabled you should have as first default route your wifi access point (with something like 'dev wlan0'), and then as second default route the gateway of your telephony provider (for me it's 'dev rmnet_data1').

In your screen copies error messages, the gateway (10.8.0.3) is the same whatever the configuration (wifi or lte).

I find this difficult to understand.

If I switch wifi off on my phone, in the output of 'ip route', the wifi gateway disappears and I see only the telephony provider gateway. Can you repro this behaviour ? or not ?

Btw, you did check that the upgrade did not disable cellular data in the phone config (accessed from the top bar) ?

@Vlad-Nirky

looking at the 'ciborium' code, it is hardcoding only exfat at one point, when checking on dynamic insertion of a sdcard. I will not be able to do any tests on that since my phone can't accept a new sdcard without removing the battery.

@pparent

maybe (I did not check the code on that) but you installed a new version successfully right ? Even if you checked 'don't erase user data', if a new version can be not compatible with the cached data, the cached data should go (after all, it should not hold any interesting data if it conforms to its name)

@Vlad-Nirky said in Backup and restore (TWRP-style):

UT formats the SD card in FAT

I'd think that using a command line tool it could be possible to use other formats.