Livewire: A native XMPP client for Ubuntu Touch

sixwheeledbeast

Thank you I have been hopeful a working UT OMEMO XMPP chat client would come soon.
This is very heavy but functions which is great.
I have a few questions.
How far away are features like:- OMEMO MUC, In band registration, support multiple accounts, audio/video calls?
If Libervia is a backend is there a possibly it could be merged into the existing messages app?

projectmoon

@sixwheeledbeast said:
OMEMO MUC

Next major item on the list. All the pieces are present, just need to assemble them correctly.

In band registration

I consider it lower priority: something for app stable release, but not for alpha -> beta graduation. Although it's a barrier to new users, it's possible to register elsewhere. However, if someone wants to contribute it earlier, hey ho let's go.

support multiple accounts

Coming soon to a .click near you

audio/video calls?

Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar away.

If Libervia is a backend is there a possibly it could be merged into the existing messages app?

Anything is possible. But I won't be doing it. I don't know how the Lomiri messaging app is constructed, exactly, and if it's specific to SMS/MMS or not.

Moem

@sixwheeledbeast said:

audio/video calls

If this is high priority for you, you might want to give DeltaTouch a try. Earlier this weekI tried a videochat with a friend who was using DeltaChat on /e/OS, and it worked fine.

nbdynl

@projectmoon So i know, i need to do my own investigations, but uhh

can you explain a little why someone could need this? what is the advantage of your app?
like i am ungoogled searching the meaning of a xmpp client and "olmea" encryption.

the app looks great...

projectmoon

@nbdynl said:

@projectmoon So i know, i need to do my own investigations, but uhh

can you explain a little why someone could need this? what is the advantage of your app?
like i am ungoogled searching the meaning of a xmpp client and "olmea" encryption.

the app looks great...

It is an XMPP client. XMPP/Jabber is an instant messaging standard like Matrix. Older, different, some might say more efficient. But the end result is the same: put text into box, send text to other people. OMEMO (not olmea) is just the name of the end to end encryption used.

Moem

@nbdynl said:

xmpp client

Xmpp is a decently popular chat protocol with a great number of clients:
https://xmpp.org/software/?category=clients

It makes a lot of sense for UT to have one or more native clients, too.

brenno.almeida

Nice work @projectmoon looks like a solid project. Never thought that Greenline could be used as a base for anything, the way the app is structured is too "whatsapp-specifc" and with a lot of code shortcuts, a bit hacky to be honest.

I'm seeing that you're building some non python modules into the project, numpy as an example. How are you building that for arm64? Are you cross compiling, building in a arm64 worker, or something else? Thanks!

nbdynl

@projectmoon thanks for the response, u aswell @moem

Another project to look into, i grew up with irc, but yea that is kinda not so safe at all xD, wel atleast unless you mask your identity but i cant remember how i did all that back in the days

projectmoon

@nbdynl with XMPP, you can joined IRC channels via a bridge called biboumi. Very easy to set up (if you run an XMPP server; otherwise, the provider you use might have it).

projectmoon

@brenno.almeida said:

Nice work @projectmoon looks like a solid project. Never thought that Greenline could be used as a base for anything, the way the app is structured is too "whatsapp-specifc" and with a lot of code shortcuts, a bit hacky to be honest.

I'm seeing that you're building some non python modules into the project, numpy as an example. How are you building that for arm64? Are you cross compiling, building in a arm64 worker, or something else? Thanks!

Thanks! The original reason I chose to use Greenline as the base was because Libervia is written in Python, Greenline is written in Python, Libervia acts as a daemon. All the pieces just kinda fit together. But then I wanted to make it confined, and then I a did a Rust, and now we have the current abomination!

As for building the Python part, there are two builds. There is the optional Nuitka (Python native compiler) backend build, which absolutely requires running on a native host for the architecture. This was an experiment to see if Libervia would run/start faster. It does not. At least, not enough to make it worth waiting for a 50 minute Python native compilation.

The regular backend, which is using Rust's PyO3, is just regular cross-compiled via clickable build. The only reason Nuitka requires a native build is because it simply does not do cross-compilation.

adorsaz

Thanks for this application, I miss a good XMPP client on Ubuntu Touch (Kaidan seems to not support MUC and MAM with my XMPP provider).

I've seen on the repository there's a CLAUDE.md file and I'm a bit scared of vibe coded applications. Are you using Claude to fully write the application or are you using it as an assistant but still create source code yourself ?

projectmoon

@adorsaz said:

Thanks for this application, I miss a good XMPP client on Ubuntu Touch (Kaidan seems to not support MUC and MAM with my XMPP provider).

I've seen on the repository there's a CLAUDE.md file and I'm a bit scared of vibe coded applications. Are you using Claude to fully write the application or are you using it as an assistant but still create source code yourself ?

It is not vibe coded. LLMs were/are used to do most of the boring mechanical work that I can't be arsed to poke around for an hour changing, like changing qt method parameters and call-sites everywhere. The architecture of the app itself is loosely based on Indra (internal Actix event stream-esque actor handling magic).