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@mrlen Hi! I don't think this is the right place to discuss this topic since is more towards UT centered and most of the time is about technical stuff and fixing problems. You can join us on the Telegram groups and share your thoughts there https://t.me/ubports.
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@c0n57an71n works for Google!
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"This General category is for organizational or general discussion.."
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@mrlen Yeah, but we try to organize ourselves a little bit so the forum doesn't become to filled with information that is not relevant to the developing/porting/bug topic. You can express freely if you want on the Telegram and Matrix channels.
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@c0n57an71n I'm willing to bet $100 you're a Democrat. #BossyMuch
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@mrlen Don't be stupid. I leave in EU, not the whole world spins around your dumb elections. If you feel like chatting there are tons of platforms out there,
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@c0n57an71n I'm Australian actually.
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@mrlen ..and I still think my thread is perfectly relevant and worth discussing. If you don't feel like it is, that's your prerogative -- but who died and made you overlord of the Internet? Definitely a Liberal.
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@mrlen awe come on dude this is no place for your petty manichean obsessions. Go post this stuff elsewhere. This is no place for politics whatsoever. Please believe we're doing this to hold back the truth and go complain about it elsewhere.
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@emphrath My original post had nothing at all to do with politics. My responses did, because bossy boots came along trying to tell me what I can and can't say on the Internet.
However, I vow not to mention anything other than Ubuntu Touch on this forum. I have been assimilated now. I am Borg like you guys. I have no personality.
I apologise for having a personality -- and for wondering why a perfectly useful Linux OS has been suppressed.
I know, I'm sick. I need help.
Please forgive me.
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@mrlen said in Powers that be holding alternatives back | Conspiracy?:
I reckon Canonical stopped Ubuntu Touch because they plain out got told not to continue.
I think that's the reason a lot of companies are not supporting Linux phones.
Kind of like how the oil industry held electric cars back fro 100 years.
That's why it's going to take private funding and grass roots initiatives to get Ubuntu Touch working better.There is no need for an conspiracy theory.
Markets tend to a small number of dominant players for good reasons and once that happens there are barriers to entry. You can see this is pharmaceuticals, cars, power, etc.
In the case of phones, there needs to be tie-in with regulators, cell service providers, phone manufacturers and app developers.
Canonical have stated that they couldn't make the project viable. There's plenty of evidence that they tried to set up the necessary tie-ins. But, even in markets where there was a clear desire to avoid the dominant supplier, the costs of entry were clearly too high for the expected return.
All of these tie-ins naturally concentrate on the players that make up most of their business to the detriment of unproven newcomers. That's not a conspiracy, that's emergent behaviour and there are lots of examples in economics and elsewhere. The only things that could change this are financial, legal or political incentives.
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@alan_g Then the obvious question is: How can Canonical not be able to make it viable, when a few people with passion and no budget can pick up where they left off and create such an awesome Linux OS? I'm not buying it.
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@mrlen I didn't say they couldn't make it work. For a company "viable" means something they could make money from.
UBports is a non-profit, and (I strongly suspect) does not pay its employees what they could get elsewhere. That is not viable for a commercial organization.
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@alan_g Look at all the people they're hiring? And that's not taking into account all the staff they currently have:
https://canonical.com/#careers
They can't throw a couple of programmers over here to look after what they started?
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@mrlen They're "partnered" with the largest fortune 500 companies on planet earth.
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$358,000,000 worth of assets..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canonical_(company)
..and they can't throw a programmer over here to figure out how to make sure GPS works better and get a video chat app running?
Not buying it at all.
They got told by one or more of their "partners" to stop creating a tool that can't be monetised.
I'm convinced.
Kind of like how Tesla invented free electricity but Edison (when he wasn't electrocuting elephants) wanted to charge. Tesla died in a hotel room, lonely and broke.
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@mrlen Canonical isn't really big compared to the giants they have more products and projects that they think more sustainable. Also, you are talking to a Canonical employee, lead of mir actually and he's been helping with UT. It's not official though but I'm pretty sure Canonical doesn't discourage them to do it.
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@kugiigi Ah, the apologists have come out. Now we have a REAL conspiracy on our hands...
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..the plot thickens.
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