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@alan_g Then the obvious question is: How can Canonical not be able to make it viable, when a few people with passion and no budget can pick up where they left off and create such an awesome Linux OS? I'm not buying it.
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@mrlen I didn't say they couldn't make it work. For a company "viable" means something they could make money from.
UBports is a non-profit, and (I strongly suspect) does not pay its employees what they could get elsewhere. That is not viable for a commercial organization.
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@alan_g Look at all the people they're hiring? And that's not taking into account all the staff they currently have:
https://canonical.com/#careers
They can't throw a couple of programmers over here to look after what they started?
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@mrlen They're "partnered" with the largest fortune 500 companies on planet earth.
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$358,000,000 worth of assets..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canonical_(company)
..and they can't throw a programmer over here to figure out how to make sure GPS works better and get a video chat app running?
Not buying it at all.
They got told by one or more of their "partners" to stop creating a tool that can't be monetised.
I'm convinced.
Kind of like how Tesla invented free electricity but Edison (when he wasn't electrocuting elephants) wanted to charge. Tesla died in a hotel room, lonely and broke.
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@mrlen Canonical isn't really big compared to the giants they have more products and projects that they think more sustainable. Also, you are talking to a Canonical employee, lead of mir actually and he's been helping with UT. It's not official though but I'm pretty sure Canonical doesn't discourage them to do it.
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@kugiigi Ah, the apologists have come out. Now we have a REAL conspiracy on our hands...
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..the plot thickens.
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@c0n57an71n sure. I was about to suggest locking the thread.
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@c0n57an71n Why don't you change your name to C0n7r0lFr33k ?
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It's ok. Lock the thread. My job is done here.
Gotchya's...
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@mrlen I'm gonna assume one last time you really want to have a discussion here. Canonical's business model has always been weird / hybrid - that is, relying on a trademark and selling server solutions all the while trying to cater to its open-source community. Back then, they didn't have the ressources they have now, for one good reason: the failure of unity and the reverting to gnome desktop is a result of their choice to focus on the server side of affairs, because it was money-worthy.
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@alan_g i had no idea you came from Canonical. Huge thanks for involving in the project. Tell me if my post above is wrong. Anyway, @mrlen if you want absolute proof that there is nothing preventing an linux solution from happening, free of google and ios, check into SailfishOS. It works perfectly. On four/five officially supported devices, no more. That's the maximum a company with expperience (ex-Nokia) and ties in the busines was able to achieve. That should put things into perspective.
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@emphrath Not just him, and Alan Pope https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XcoWKoubjE and Mark Shuttelworth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDHL3youjIY still show a love for Ubuntu Touch. But business is business. You can't put food on the table when no money's coming in and loosing millions..
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@emphrath okies, I'll check it out. I've been trying to figure out the best way to get Google out of my life. That's the main thing I am after. I've researched pretty much everything and anything -- and I've purchased over 7 phones trying different stuff out. But actually, I haven't come across sailfish OS. I'll go look that up now.
I will say though, before I toddle off.. my main problem with alternative OS's is that when it comes to installing them, and the instructions I am presented with -- it literally gives me brain damage. Therefore, I've been looking for solutions that I can buy off the shelf. But they are very few and far between. I think from memory, you've for fairphone /e/ and pinephone.
At the end of the day, I just want to be able to use technology, without becoming a product. Or being tracked everywhere. I don't consent to any of that.
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@mrlen And you're very right ! SailfishOS is what you need I think. It's a no-hassle solution. It's not free, though ^^
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@mrlen wow, after a cursory look. Sailfish OS looks pretty cool...
You can use Android apps up to 8.1 too. Not bad.
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@emphrath I'm not looking for free. I am looking for freeDOM
Perfectly happy to pay for that, so I am not the product.
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@mrlen I'm quite impressed with sailfish OS. I can't believe I didn't see it earlier. I've been searching around for months.
However, I'm still gonna keep this UT Nexus 5. I genuinely love it. For what it is/does, it works well. It calls, lets me take photos and videos and I can sms. At the end of the day, that's all you "really" need out of a phone.
Now I am weighing up the pros and cons between Sailfish OS and AOSP. My biggest problem with AOSP is the complicated installation. I guess eberything is easy once you get used to it. Maybe I just need to learn.
