Notification LED

Keneda

@Hugehead
I don't know for telegramm, but if they have account on the forum you can try to ping them here ^^

@Lakotaubp device page seems to be wrong on notif led for OP6, can you do something ?

Lakotaubp

@Keneda Will check later had a very quick look and can't see anything for Notification on either 16 or 20.04 To early for eyes to work.

Lakotaubp

@Keneda Knew I was not looking far enough. Hardware does not support notification LED guess that is what you mean.
That seems pretty final to me and it's not listed on the git pages as an issue to fix.
Looks like only one of the OP6 developer or the maintainers can really help with the full answer for that device as this is the statement

Unsupported features
The device hardware does not support these features, if you need them, please consider a different device.

Notification LED
SD card storage
Wireless charging
FM radio
Wired External monitor

@SEVRALT is the maintainer and on the Forum so might be available for a final answer.
Edit: keep in mind their location might make communication a bit difficult.

Keneda

@Lakotaubp said in Notification LED:

Hardware does not support notification LED guess that is what you mean.

Yes that's it.
From @Hugehead photo we can see there definitely is one ^^

Lakotaubp

@Keneda The charging light indicator might be totally different from the same light being used for messge indication etc. That's why I think we need the maintainer or such for a complete answer fir the OP6. All works on the OP5 so device specific on OP6?.

Hugehead

@Lakotaubp I tested today in Android mode. Notifications are also using the LED. E.g. downloading an update or messages will light up in green. i can also set colors in settings.

Lakotaubp

@Hugehead That is Android though does not mean it works out of the box on UT

Hugehead

@Lakotaubp Let me clarify here shortly:

i asked if Notification LED can be implemented
Keneda answering that from device page notification LED not existing
i claim that it exists because i found info on internet
keneda ask me to check if it really exists. I checked, it exists.

I did not mention that it should run out of box, this is why i am asking if we can implement it.

ToDo:

contact the porters for support (Hugehead)
correcting device page information, because clearly the notification LED is not "not existent" but "not implemented" . (Who can do that?)

Lakotaubp

@Hugehead Please then go a head and contact the developers or the maintainer (who has in effect been pinged by being mentioned). There must be a good reason why under UT it does not work on the OP6 as it works on other devices running UT 20.04 . Unless the info you found specifically states will work on Ubuntu Touch 20.04 on the OP6 that info is of little direct use to UT.
Until we know for certain that the indicator can be made to work there is little point in amending the device page.

Hugehead

@Lakotaubp

Until we know for certain that the indicator can be made to work there is little point in amending the device page.

I dont really get the point. The Notification LED on the OP6 is physically available and works on Android. On OP6 device page it says
" The device hardware does not support these features, if you need them, please consider a different device. "
Which does not fit to the notification LED. It is supported by the device hardware. But, it is not implemented. If it will be implemented we dont know yet (like for fingerprint). In my opinion, the notification definitely fits to the category "not working" but i don't want to push to hard on that.

Unless the info you found specifically states will work on Ubuntu Touch 20.04 on the OP6 that info is of little direct use to UT

It doesn't. I just proofed that the notification LED is available (by hardware) on the OP6 and i am asking if it will be possible to implement it. (which i am doubt, to be honest).

here must be a good reason why under UT it does not work on the OP6 as it works on other devices running UT 20.04

My understanding is that the notification LED support is implemented in UT System. But the "low level" or "driver" level of it, isnt it device specific (like talking to network, gps, camera modules)? I understand that LED is generally working in UT , so if not on OP6, there should be a porting issue. No?

Hugehead

@Lakotaubp
One developer told me he is not using OP6 anymore. and the porter SEVRALT wrote me the following statement on telegram:

Which sounds to me pretty much as a "no".

Are the porters - let's say - responsible for their device? I thought there is a bigger community than 1 person per device. Maybe I don't understand the structure very well.

Lakotaubp

@Hugehead That can be pretty much how it goes for a few devices. There is a commitment of time and effort needed to keep ports going and if the main porter for a device stops for what ever reason that can be it.
Please remember that except for a very few everyone here is giving their time for free. So if for whatever reason they stop and no-one else takes up a device development stops.
We do have a small core team of devs who will concentrate on the OS itself and a few core devices. That really is all that can be covered the rest is down to volunteers.
Bit of a simple overview but the basic outlook. Notch support is being worked on and there is a basic work around linked to on the forum (use the search function to find it). I have found out that is should be possible for the indicator to work as on other devices but it will need device specific work as you have found out.

Hugehead

@Lakotaubp
Thank you very much for the explanation. I was actually not aware of that "strict" porters idea, thought that maybe 10-20 volunteers are porting a device somehow together part by part and that i might could have taken a small part like the LED.

Please remember that except for a very few everyone here is giving their time for free.

Totally clear, I also spend hours of testing and re-flashing (not comparable to the porters I guess). But I didn't really came further in terms of notification LED.

Notch support is being worked on and there is a basic work around linked to on the forum (use the search function to find it)

the OP6 is from 2018, which means the notch support could have come during the last 4-5 years. Not being there. I am doubting that there will be something coming soon AND it needs device specific work, which is , as we see, hard at this time.

I am coming from a company where I work in high class customer support. Main goal is always to give reliable information/timeline to our customers very fast. Maybe i am a little too pushy on free/open source project with my expectations. I am learning

Moem

@Hugehead said in Notification LED:

I was actually not aware of that "strict" porters idea, thought that maybe 10-20 volunteers are porting a device somehow together part by part

Oh goodness. I wish you were right, we'd have so many volunteers if you had been!

vince.vs

@Lakotaubp said in Notification LED:

You said : All works on the OP5
.. not on my OPT5, and see :
Notification lights not working](/topic/8775/notification-lights-not-working)

@Moem
You are using or have used an OPT5:
Did the led notification work on your phone ?

Moem

@vince-vs said in Notification LED:

Did the led notification work on your phone ?

It depends... what are you expecting it to do?

vince.vs

@Moem

Does it flash after a missed call or text or voicemail message?
Is that what it's there for? No?
... on UT Xenial it worked very well and was very practical.

Moem

@vince-vs said in Notification LED:

Does it flash after a missed call or text or voicemail message?

You know what, I'm not absolutely certain either way. But I'll keep an eye on it.

danfro

@vince-vs Yes, the led works for notifications on the OP5T.

And regarding your idea of 10 people working together on the port of a device, they all would ideally need to have that device so they can test. And who is going to pay for those devices?
Just to give you one idea why this is not very likely to happen this way, for your understanding. Because I believe, understanding the reasons is important.

Not sure though, what the porter means with "wait for implementation in os side". Ubuntu Touch does definitely allow notification led and supports it. I did have that on my old BQ E5, on my Xperia X and now on my OP5T. I understood this to need device specific enabling. But I am no porter.
Some devices ship camera software within the camera, others only rely on the OS. So it might be a case of this. For some devices led works out of the box, for others it doesn't. But again, just the guesses of a non-porter.

vince.vs

@Moem
Thanks !