Talk to the Non-Geek People

Lakotaubp

@nero355 Please remember UT as an OS was developed for mobile devices. It was not ever intended to be a desktop operating system or run desktop apps full stop. This one has run for ever and it will not change. If you want something else find it and use it.

@nero355 said in Talk to the Non-Geek People:

We talk about freedom/freedom of choice and you think that something that takes your freedom away should be on our phones or even compatible with our OS ?!
DAMN...

Everyone here or using UT does have freedom of choice. They can do what they want with their phones so can you. You want UT only then keep it that way. UT native apps then help develop them. Do something not just point out where everyone else is going wrong, having their freedom removed or are idiots. That is the point of opensource so I thought, use as you will, help others along the way and don't use it in a malicious way. Or have I missed something.

Feel free to state your case but do it in a polite way it is time to stop hinting that others views are incorrect, stupid, idiotic and such. It's not what we do. Also the ironic winking faces are not working or needed as I have mentioned before.

nero355

@lundrin17 said in Talk to the Non-Geek People:

if you don't ever need to use any android or windows apps, than I honestly envy you.

I have different devices for different purposes :

Android phone for Android stuff, although I don't need a lot to be honest : I am not one of those people with hundreds of apps on their phone, while 95% or more can be replaced by visiting the website!

For me personally it's a much better compromise to emulate those few apps that i need from those abhorrent os-es on one that i like, than run them for those few apps, and miss out everything else which UT or desktop linux distros posess.

Basically what I need is :

Terminal
Browser
Telegram

And all my devices support those, except for Android when it comes to a Terminal so I grab my PC/Laptop/whatever runs a proper Linux version on it!

On top of that :

LibreOffice like stuff.
Some kind of photo editor
Some tools like ADB which can run on both Windows and Linux

And for example Kubuntu offers all of that out of the box!

I see Android as deperecated and only use it for a quick Firefox Search or the official Telegram Client because it's simply better in certain things than TELEports at the moment.
My Ubuntu Touch phone is pretty much the main phone at the moment

The Jolla Sailfish phone is just an experiment with a battery drain issue so let s ignore that one for now...

You don't need tu use waydroid, but i don't think that the option that it is there is bad. The more options is the better, there's no scenario in my mind, where less choise is better.

If less choice means better and more development of Native Apps and Applications then I would say that is the better choice!

And yes, currently we are a very small niche community, but that doesn-t mean we should be uninviting to regular andy.

But what if beeing inviting isn't possible at the moment because of the attitude of most people in general ?!

People don't want to learn or try new things in general!
That's why we are a niche...

And throughout this post you can see that even in this small community peoples opinion can vary, some want android apps, some want native, some want convergence, some better browsing experience etc (just the top of my head). Theres no one and only true and righteous way, and only that, and others are not idiot, simply because they would like different things.

Most of those things will level out in the end, but that one case of a "not so smart guy" who wants his government following him on his non-Google or non-Apple phone is just weird in soo many ways...

You have to admit that ?!

The best would be to have all, and to have a choice which to use (i see that is currently not possible, but lets not belitle and insult the other for having a different feature in mind, than oneself)

You can buy a PinePhone and have it all, but it's not ready as a daily phone so you have to make choices, however they are not really a huge issue IMHO

Lakotaubp

@nero355 Just to point out if anyone wants to track anyone switching on your phone is a big risk. If you run Android or iOS with location on all the info anybody needs is already there. It's tracking you. No covid app required. You are mixing things up and serving it up to match your view. Street cameras, video door bells on and on and on. Not having a covid app does not make you invisable. having one does not mean you are being tracked 24hrs a day. Please stop with these theories this is not the right place.

nero355

@lakotaubp said in Talk to the Non-Geek People:

@nero355 Just to point out if anyone wants to track anyone switching on your phone is a big risk.

Don't overreact please...

If you run Android or iOS with location on all the info anybody needs is already there. It's tracking you. No covid app required.

That's why :

I will never buy an iOS device.
My current Android phone is not a Google Android phone!

You are mixing things up and serving it up to match your view. Street cameras, video door bells on and on and on. Not having a covid app does not make you invisable. having one does not mean you are being tracked 24hrs a day.

So because the situation is bad already we should allow it to get even worse ?!

Please stop with these theories this is not the right place.

When someone wants to ruin one of my favorite OS options for a phone then this is the right place!

Lakotaubp

@nero355 No one is trying or going to ruin your favorite OS. People just want to be free to use it as they see fit not you. Which is why we are here.
This is now getting way off topic for this thread. If you want to carry on then may I suggest you start a thread in Off Topic on what is wrong or being ruined with UT.
The rest of the Forum is for discussions directly involved with improving and using UT on the currently supported devices.
If you do so please remember that the normal Forum rules still apply. I am not going to point them out again.

Lundrin17

@nero355

If less choice means better and more development of Native Apps and Applications then I would say that is the better choice!

But since nobody is held back from making native apps by having waydroid here, I still don't see the reason. I mean if waydroid would sease to exist tomorrow, there still wouldn't be more apps on openstore.

But what if beeing inviting isn't possible at the moment because of the attitude of most people in general ?!

Yes, it is possible. Not in huge numbers, but there are people, who for this reason or that would be interested. And even if it werent, why would it hurt you, if there's a quick noob friendly welcome tutorial only for the possybility? The original purpose of this thread was that. if someone with zero knowlage would just get here, look around, and wouldn't even know where to start, they would rather not at all.

Also you've told very much about your daily use of your phone, which is fine, but it still isn't the only way to use it. some people need banking applications, some only want to use discord. To alvays have two phones at you is uncomfortable and not practical for most people, especially if it is only to preserve some thinked up purity of UT or idk. I need only one android app, and it's shure as hell i won't have a second phone for that on me.

Also ideologies aside, how would a third party app, which you dont have to install ruin the os?

nero355

@lundrin17 said in Talk to the Non-Geek People:

Also ideologies aside, how would a third party app, which you dont have to install ruin the os?

At the moment you can simply say "NO!" when someones asks you about it!

When such an app actually exists you can get forced to use it in the end or have to lie about it...

flohack

@nero355 please stop asking for devices that will go EOL with 20.04 since we do not know them right now and we will inform the public as soon as we do.

Currently we are trying to get 20.04 running on a few devices and then we need to fix all regression bugs. Only then we can try to slowly widen the range of devices and then we will see. It will still be a few months probably.

A Former User

@flohack
Thanks for the info...

nero355

@flohack
NO is also the right answer! Thank you!

Lakotaubp

This thread is now off in the long grass of OT. If you are think of posting anything at all that is not about how to best communicate the basics of UT to non Geeks please don't. Or you may now think it best to start a new thread anyway and use this as a reference point.