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Ubuntu Touch currently has multiple messaging solutions (FluffyChat, web apps, and Waydroid Android apps). We have come a long way, but these remain application-level solutions rather than a system-integrated real-time communication layer.
There is still no native system-level solution for real-time voice and video communication. Web apps and Android via Waydroid work, but are not integrated into the Lomiri UX.
I believe Jami could be worth exploring as a convergence-native communication stack to potentially fill this gap, with deeper integration into Lomiri.
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native system-level solution for real-time voice and video communication
I don´t know what that is. I mean the 'system-level' part. What does 'a system-integrated real-time communication layer' mean?
As for native solutions for video chat, have you tried Jitsi and DeltaTouch?
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@marlboro50 Hello,
First to understand what Jami is, i watched a video about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Wi99K33qrw&t=9sSo in general, apps like Fluffy, Element, and even Jitsi (for the starter) still need a user account.
Delta chat can be run on your own email server (without notifications).
This on the other hand is peer to peer encrypted without a platform in between.
Meaning when offline, no messages are send to anyone.Does it sound interesting, yea, but just from this video alone i cant say i investigated it ;-).
So then the question "a native, system-level solution for real-time voice and video communication."
Do we need something like this system wide? and why? why is adding this to the store not enough? like if i have to convince friends to stay off Whatsapp, i kinda have to settle for what the majority of my people use right?
so either signal, delta chat, element, Session, Threema, Jitsi Meet and so on offer tools to chat with friends and family. But if no one in my network downloads the application,
it is kinda useless to have this in my system image.What is your idea behind integrating it into the system? and what are we going to say to the developers that are building "secure" messaging apps already on our platform?
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@nbdynl You’re asking exactly the right hard question here — and it’s also the main reason this topic should get debated.
App-level messaging (what we have today)What you described is correct:
FluffyChat → Matrix account needed
Element → Matrix account needed
Jitsi Meet → server/session needed
Delta Chat / Signal / Session / Threema → all rely on:
networks
identity systems
other users installing the same appThis is the ecosystem layer
And your conclusion is correct:
If your contacts don’t use it, the app is functionally irrelevant
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@nbdynl We are already using system-level services:
Wi-Fi -> handled by OS
Bluetooth -> handled by OS
Notifications -> handled by OS
Audio -> handled by OSNow extend that idea:
“Calls and real-time communication become a system service”Jami is already available for windows, ios, android, linux (as a snap that can install on ubuntu touch but not convergeant)
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