Send Some: Indicators Love (week 3)



  • @3arn0wl No, it is not. It is about the indicators in the top panel when you swipe down from top edge (or click on the network/clock/system/etc… icons with mouse). Notice there are no notifications shown in the screenshots which @CiberSheep posted. πŸ™‚

    That is, the messages indicator (where notifications may show up after receiving them), is part of it, but the general concept of notifications is not what this is about.



  • Hmm, I don't really understand, @dobey. As I said, I like notifications as it is, so I guess I'll leave it to the others. πŸ˜•



  • @3arn0wl I might be wrong but I think its about designing/altering the little white indicators at the top of the screen the envelope,location,phone signal indicator, wifi,sound, battery etc. and their associated pull down drawers.



  • @3arn0wl Hmm, it sounds like you are perhaps conflating notifications and indicators to be the same thing. Notifications are the white shaped rectangle pop-up, like when you get a call, connect to wifi, or get a message. That initial item is the notification. In some cases, such as when you've missed a call or message notification, the notification will go away, and it will be added to the messaging menu (the indicator with the envelope icon), which you can view by opening the indicators menu and switching to the messages/notifications indicator.

    Being able to respond directly is I think something that needs to be handled from the app side, so that is theoretically something we could enable for matrix/tg/signal/etc… (I don't recall the specifics of how that works at the moment, though.)

    So, this thread is not about the messaging menu or notifications specifically, but about the general interaction with all of the indicators from the top panel menu, I think. However, if you only want to concentrate on some changes to the messages/notifications menu portion, that would perhaps be fine as well. Ideas you might have there, could possibly transfer over to others. But I think any suggestions here should be restricted to only the indicators, and not general notifications, or app-specific integration to messaging menu, or such things. Think more broadly. πŸ™‚



  • Ouh, sounds like we need to have a conversation also on notifications πŸ™‚ but not in this thread.
    So, @3arn0wl I agree, I love how the indicators work. They're easy accessible, swiping between one and another is cool but I'm sure there's room for improvement.
    Just to be clear, as Rodney said, @Lakotaubp the indicators are the Β«panelsΒ» that you pull down to see the calendar, the bluetooth, wi-fi, etc.

    They are not consistent:

    • Nearly all of them have a settings section at the bottom except for Notifications, Rotation and Downloads (some because it's not applicable)
    • Some are busy as Calendar or Network and others are empty as Rotation or GPS
    • What happens if we need or want to add more areas?


  • As is so often the case you are right @dobey, but the Top Edge is a beautiful mash up of more than one thing, and actually holds a ton of promise. And I'm sorry that this is another post about function rather than form, but it seems somehow necessary.

    As you suggest @cibersheep, the dropdown menus are varied. The time and date one almost has the functionality of the calendar app. The Sound one has music player controls built in. And the notifications one lets us send SMS. All absolutely brilliant. And one asks therefore if we actually need said apps at all? Same with the Settings icon in the app scope - it's right there at the top.

    If you compare what's in Settings, against what is accessible from the top edge, there are gaps. I guess at some point a decision was made about what things ought to be readily available. BUT do we need to be able to access everything? Is it the purview here to review that functionality?



  • This for example were some in-progress docs from canonical: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1tpH-vtedGBcvxq-cEgJfAY4XsuHluYdH32yZjYqnU48/edit#slide=id.g18edbbffea_1_4 do we progress in this direction, cleanup, reorginize, possibally new concepts. What criteria do we use to add extra things to indicator menus?

    Color, transparency? Maybe we can layout two columns and have it pull halfwaydown, maybe pulling halfwayish gives simple toggel buttons for yhe simple actions, further for more?



  • Well, my suggestion is that we should move in a whole new direction, replacing individual indicator drop-downs, with a single slide-in area, which combines some core features from each, and directs one to appropriate place in settings or other apps, for further settings or information.

    Something somewhere in the middle of what we have now, and what Android/iOS/Win10 have, for action area/notifications.



  • @cibersheep πŸ™‚ I do ❀ the indicators.

    Here's an edited Date & Time indicator... It adds Calendar functions, making the calendar app front somewhat redundant. Nevertheless, the + New Event button, and the Calendar Settings would still use the Calendar app, if that makes any sense at all.

    0_1542563829500_Calendar 2.png

    The Location dialogue is part of Time Settings, so the Location detector function could go here too.

    I've taken away the link to the Clock - as time is an element of date - so in this scenario, the Calendar app would need the Alarm Notifications function added.



  • Perhaps could be interesting put an ON/OFF switch button for each SIM card. I think that people with Dual SIM phone (like BQ E4.5) will love this feature (like me xDDD).
    I propose something like this:
    0_1542195014345_Proposed Network Indicator.png



  • And what do you think about putting another slide button for enable/disable device visibility in the Bluetooth section when the Bluetooth is enabled?



  • @cibersheep

    Some people have seen this idea before: a Comms Indicator.

    0_1542201655900_Communications.png

    Pull down gives you your contacts, and you can choose to call them, text them or go to their entry in the contacts app. There would need to be an intermediary dialogue to enquire about the app to be used: SMS / Telegram / Matrix / Signal, for example.



  • @dobey I actually love how the indicators works now. It's very easy to find things. For example: changing the brightness of the screen is very quick to access. And that is something I do not want to lose.

    I don't see how that would work with one panel.



  • @3arn0wl Mmmmm...



  • @dr0w I don't know if disabling the SIM is possible... or do you mean the data connection per SIM?



  • @3arn0wl I don't think this is a good idea. Think of having 300 contacts, listed in the indicator... and you have the Contacts app πŸ™‚



  • @cibersheep
    I've come to the conclusion that Indicators ought to be a way of getting to do the common, important things, like calling/texting, listening to music and scheduling quickly and easily. And I think a comms indicator would do just that.

    The Files Indicator by contrast doesn't seem to have any functionality to it at all... I think in that case, going through the app icon process is better. So perhaps the Files Indicator could be removed...



  • @3arn0wl Files, lists the download files (as podcasts from Podbird, or pdf from the browser πŸ™‚

    0_1542235356681_47346a9d-ba65-4ded-b0e1-f9eb40dee0cf-imatge.png



  • Fair enough, @cibersheep - mine's completely empty. πŸ˜•



  • @cibersheep Try GNOME. It's something like this:

    GNOME system menu


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