New linux device NC_1 from Necuno

Mic_

An ex-collegue reported me once about the hardware-testing-department of AVM. So they inspect all components of their routers and only purchase elements which they trust.

I thought that way brings us secure routers. Want to have the same for phones. Isn't that possible - or at least conceivable?!

dobey

@Mic_ That doesn't create a fully secured device. It simply means that you can verify the origin of the hardware, and whether it was tampered with in transit. It doesn't mean there are no security flaws in the hardware itself, the firmware, nor the software.

It is only one of the many steps that need to be taken, to make things secure. And security is not really a binary state in that sense. It's more a sliding scale, and there really isn't anything that is 100% secure.

Mic_

Yes sorry I am very inconclusive at this point. What I mainly mean is the possibility to sell a service which companies allows to massively influence peoples 'opinions' - which at the end bases on the collection of data about these people.

That specific phones can at the end nearly always been attacked - ok, but that is not my point. Maybe I should call it not 'security' in general.

As I have heard AVM does really a lot of work to get the right elements from the producers of chips etc. I thought that is the right way.

dobey

I would like to see some evidence of their claims, from the software side. For example, all over the web site, it talks about this "aera OS" thing, which is supposedly a Linux based OS which they make for the phone. However, despite much searching, I can find absolutely no information about it.

flohack

I will try to get hands-on on FOSDEM and see. Last year they had a "non-functioning deactivated" prototype, which was essentially a 3D-printed case with nothing inside

Mic_

"Aera OS can be run on select off-the-shelf devices (e.g Sony Xperia X ) or it can be combined with our third level."

https://www.f6s.com/necunosolutionsltd

A part of SFOS maybe?

dobey

@Mic_ said in New linux device NC_1 from Necuno:

A part of SFOS maybe?

There's literally no actual information, so I don't want to make assumptions. There are also old blog posts where they talk about partnerships with pmOS, KDE, etc… similar to how Purism did with the Librem 5, but those are all from before this "aera OS" existed I guess.

I would much like to know what it is actually though, and what "hardening" has been done.

Mic_

@dobey https://necunos.com/blog/necuno-solutions-and-nemo-mobile-collaboration/

Nemo based on Mer-core. Mer-core was started as a fork from Nokia MeeGo. Sailfish based on MeeGo.

dobey

@Mic_ said in New linux device NC_1 from Necuno:

based

December 2018

Again, this is quite old and from a time before this aera os seems to have ever been mentioned by Necuno. Obviously Nemo is not a "hardened Linux" either.

I'm talking about aera os only, and not the previous "partnerships" with other mobile OS projects like Nemo, pmOS, etc… which were all mentioned in 2018 prior to any claim of Necuno developing a hardened OS called aera os.

makeixo

Well maybe @Flohack will find something out. I don't think I belong to the user group but nevertheless it an interessting topic.

makeixo

@Flohack said in New linux device NC_1 from Necuno:

I will try to get hands-on on FOSDEM and see. Last year they had a "non-functioning deactivated" prototype, which was essentially a 3D-printed case with nothing inside

I did you find them?

flohack

@makeixo Yes. Bascially now they showed a prototype which had cables sticking out and sticky tape held it together. On the device it was running Nemo, but again a lot of primises were given.
I personally think they are in early prototype stage, as I lack hard evidence they already did both software and hardware in such a away that its already beta-grade.

makeixo

@Flohack Well, if they continue to work on it, I think, its good thing.

Nemo is an interesting choice. I have always the impression, somewhere in siberia there is just 1 russian, who develops the UX. But I like what I have seen. I think it could be a nice UX/OS.