@keneda It's truly remarkable. I appreciate that someone else is questioning what appears to be an arbitrary moderation policy here.

It seems to me that in addition to my astonishment that I am not being allowed to post on Telegram's "Roll Your Own" crypto and its dangers, in tandem with some information about Durov's business dealings, there appears to be in addition a history of conflicts over the nature of moderation on this site. My observation is that it's arbitrary and appears to reflect an agenda. Perhaps it is in addition obstructive in other ways. All I can say is, I have never seen such chaos on a technical forum. @Lakotaubp is clearly not up to the task of being a moderator. I do hope the UBP project itself is being run better.

It seems to me that in addition to my astonishment that I am not being allowed to post on Telegram's "Roll Your Own" crypto and its dangers, in tandem with some information about Durov's business dealings, there appears to be in addition a history of conflicts over the nature of moderation on this site. My observation is that it's arbitrary and appears to reflect an agenda. Perhaps it is in addition obstructive in other ways. All I can say is, I have never seen such chaos on a technical forum. @Lakotaubp is clearly not up to the task of being a moderator. I do hope the UBP project itself is being run better.

@keneda It's truly remarkable. I appreciate that someone else is questioning what appears to be an arbitrary moderation policy here.

@lakotaubp - I'm sending links to discussions by experts, arrayed in chronological order so that people can see the progression of discussion. Links also include informed discussions at ycombinator and discusson of business dealings at the Washington Post and TechCrunch. For some reason you don't seem to want me to do that. So I have to ask, do you have an agenda here?

Telegram crypto defeated (2013

Moxie's comment on their new crypo (2015

The Grugq (2015)

WaPo about their business dealings (2015)

I was not allowed to post to a prior thread on Signal vs. Telegram, but since the issue remains relevant, I was directed here. Also, I'm being flagged as spam for the links, so I'll have to offer them in 3 or 4 posts.

Prior thread:
~https://forums.ubports.com/topic/3825/signal-vs-telegram/28

I just happen to have put together a list of links on Telegram. I suggest we stay far away from their "roll your own" crypto. That's the first thing you'll learn in a crypto class.

Moxie (whose "Double Ratchet" algorythm, Axolotl, is the basis of the Signal and also What's App) and Matt Green (John's Hopkins/zcash) are crypto experts. The Grugg is a well known infosec researcher, but I don't know his background as well. Durov is owner of Telegram.

Moxie's comment to Telegram/Durov:
Archive: ~
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@lakotaubp - because I have researched the history of Telegram, of which this thread is about; and Telegram vs. Signal is still a relevant issue.

Could you please let me post these?

Please stop deleting these links.

continuing ...

Telegram crypto defeated (2013)

Moxie's comment on their new crypo

The Grug

I'm getting flagged as spam. I'm not sure how to post this ... I'll try it piecemeal.

I just happen to have put together a list of links on Telegram. I suggest we stay far away from their "roll your own" crypto. That's the first thing you'll learn in a crypto class.

Moxie (Signal protocol) and Matt Green (John's Hopkins/zcash) are crypto experts. The Grugg is a well known infosec researcher, but I don't know his background as well. Durov is owner of Telegram

Moxie's comment to Telegram/Durov:

I tried that with --dry-run, but it just sits there and does nothing after this output.

$ sudo system-image-cli -vn -p 0 --progress dots
[systemimage] Jan 09 19:09:17 2021 (14794) No valid image master key found, downloading
[systemimage] Jan 09 19:09:17 2021 (14794) [0x7f8a04f2e8] Requesting group download:
        https://system-image.ubports.com/gpg/image-master.tar.xz -> /android/cache/recovery/keyring.tar.xz
        https://system-image.ubports.com/gpg/image-master.tar.xz.asc -> /android/cache/recovery/keyring.tar.xz.asc

[systemimage] Jan 09 19:09:17 2021 (14794) Allow GSM? Yes
[systemimage] Jan 09 19:09:17 2021 (14794) [/com/canonical/applications/download/d29afe0d54bd4ff491b888d395f48287] Running group download reactor
[systemimage] Jan 09 19:09:17 2021 (14794) self: <UDMDownloadManager at 0x7f8a04f2e8>, self._iface: <Interface <ProxyObject wrapping <dbus._dbus.SystemBus (system) at 0x7f8a0404c0> :1.134 /com/canonical/applications/download/d29afe0d54bd4ff491b888d395f48287 at 0x7f8a04f358> implementing 'com.canonical.applications.GroupDownload' at 0x7f8a04f3c8>

Then it times out with:

Exception occurred during dry-run; see log file for details
[systemimage] Jan 09 19:19:17 2021 (14794) system-image-cli exception
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/systemimage/main.py", line 365, in main
    state.run_until('download_files')
  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/systemimage/state.py", line 179, in run_until
    step()
  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/systemimage/state.py", line 210, in _get_blacklist_1
    'image-master', 'gpg/image-master.tar.xz', 'archive-master')
  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/systemimage/keyring.py", line 107, in get_keyring
    (ascxz_src, ascxz_dst),
  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/systemimage/download.py", line 209, in get_files
    self._get_files(records, pausable, signal_started)
  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/systemimage/udm.py", line 179, in _get_files
    raise TimeoutError
TimeoutError

Just running system-image-cli --list-channels also just freezes.

Hi all. I'm on my new PinePhone trying out UBPorts which looks really nice. A quick question if someone might have input.

The version is "16.04 (2020-09-18) ... Last Updated 11/18/20". Now when I go to Updates >> Update Settings, "Channels" is "Stable", but selecting that doesn't give me any more options. Hm.

Then I try looking in "About," to find "Developer Settings," but there's nothing there, so I'm unable to update via adb:

sudo system-image-cli -v -p 0 --progress dots

I suppose I might be able to do that from a terminal, but I thought I'd look for input first as I've already nuked one install by improperly thinking, "Oh, I know how Ubuntu works!"