Hello to everybody,

I was struggeling with permissions and permission system on ubuntu touch for several days. When I found this discussion I decided it would be worth to have the permy software running on my device. After some struggeling with the atom environment and the clickable tool I have now a running permy clone(90% of the original source), which, according to this discussion: would be of interest for other people too.
I tried to upload it to the open store, but it was rejected. The click-review process gave a red flag, because this app will read the apparmor profiles (the intention of this app).
Which way do I have (without excessive environment installation) to make this tool available for a larger group?

I don't know if anybody else has the same feeling, but for my impression we are lacking a good IDE for application development.

My understanding for a good IDE is quite simple:

1. having a handsome editor
2. having selectable programming environments
3. having sufficient feedback from the building process to the error locations
4. having a test environment (not only running tests on the program code but also run the program)
5. having a state of the art debugging tool

These are only a few qualities which I expect, but for my experience there is actually no IDE which can fulfil them. And according to my experience programming can be a nightmare without this complete set of capabilites. So if more programmers shall be encouraged to support ubports, for my impression this is a main topic to resolve

In the past I was using Eclipse and QtCreator for my different projects. Both could fulfil the above topics so far, but for Ubuntu touch this is different.

I haven't checked if there is any plugin in eclipse for Ubuntu touch development. At lease within the community discussion nothing was mentioned.

For QtCreator there is an old development kit referred in the ubports documentation, which is outdated and no longer supported. So programming could be fine, but the issue 2) is outdated. This makes the finalization of the projects hard. The preferred building tool "clickable" is not supported. The framework reference is ending with 14.10! The ubport community is switching to cmake base projects, which is supported formally by the CtCreator, but at a first glance I found major differences in project setup which makes it hard for me to transfer projects from qmake to cmake tool.
I have seen some new repositories in the UBports area with new source files for the QtCreator. If there are some activities running to set up a proper up to date IDE for ubuntu touch with this tool, I will support these activities as much as I can. CtCreator is for me still one of the best IDEs for Qt based applications.

I started to use the ATOM editor and did some trials for app development. After the first trials it looks like a concept similar to Eclipse: based on a highly configurable editor the functionality can be expanded by plugins. I installed several plugins in order to program my application. In the configuration I achieved up to now I could write the code and run clickable for compiling and installing. However, I found several issues which makes coding hard:

• capability 2) is missing. Build-in clickable is preset for 15.05 environment. For the development of apps for 16.04 I have to run the build process outside the editor. Therefore application testing has to be done outside the IDE too.
• There is no feedback from the build error code to the source code (at lease for the QML application I didn't notices anything).
• Finally there is no debug environment. The debug plugin I found is a template which has to be filled in properly. Since the setup of a debugger is always a little bit tricky, this tasks should be done for a standard programming environment to unburden any programmer to do it for himself.

These are my observations and impressions so far, which makes me really sad. So I would like to get some feedback on actual trends and (for me yet ) unknown activities to install a proper IDE for ubuntu touch. If there is actually a mainstream, I would like share it. Otherwise I would like to start the discussion how to establish one. The actual situation is , at lest for me, unsatisfactory.

What I need is a comfortable debugger. Using QtCreator is one topic, the SDK is outdated and without that it's still a very good ide but with limited "comfort". I was trying atom for editing, it's nice but it has to grow up. Together with clickable it's not that bad, but a good debugger is missing. I'm actually trying GammaRay. I have installed the latest version a few days ago and I'm now evaluating the capabilites of this package. I will give some feedback on that if it's helpful.

@doniks : I would stop this discussion here unless we find someone who has a M10 FDH with the lates canonical image in short access. A list of the mountpoints (/etc/mtab) via adb should provide some clarification on this topic. I will not do it, because I would like to get my fireza running, which is still as hard work. In the actual environment I found still a lot of weaknesses and open issues, which I would like to solve step by step. first for myself, hopefully with the help of the community, finally in the hope that I can provide some solutions which will improve some little steps.

So if you know somebody who is familiar with atom add-on packages there will be some interesting tasks to work on.

From my experience it would be more sane to wipe the device before you switch from 15.04 to 16.04. There can be too much old settings or cached data which may impact the behavior of the device. For my M10FHD it was necessary to have the device fully running. But then it's amazing.