Enabling MAC randomization

gpatel-fr

@fredldotme said in Enabling MAC randomization:

using overlayfs is better

Well, using overlayfs was mostly an experiment on my part (finding on the Internet an example of a mount unit with overlayfs was surprising difficult - finally I had to test on my PC to find a form that actually works - and the official way does not seem to work on Ubuntu 24.04 - it's possible than systemd is bugged at this point)
The downside is, as each port has its own kernel, having overlayfs available is not a sure thing as having the possibility of bind-mounting. As I had no more experience with bind-mount than overlayfs, I used the most exciting possibility

nielsbasjes

@gpatel-fr I have not tried this idea. I realized this is such an "extreme" way of settings this (also looking at the other replies) that I asked here first.

My key question is : Is this the right direction or is there a simple, clean and reliable way of enabling MAC randomization.

gpatel-fr

@nielsbasjes said in Enabling MAC randomization:

Is this the right direction or is there a simple, clean and reliable way of enabling MAC randomization.

If you don't know about it, @fredldotme is a pillar of UT, certainly the second ranked; so if he don't advise for a 'simpler, cleaner' solution, you can assume that there is no obvious one. Having the rootfs read-only is certainly a solid part of the core tenets of UT.

uxes

@nielsbasjes mac random addresses are now pretty much a standart, it would be great if this implementation is shipped on our system by default , if you manage to get this working and send it upstream, that’d be awesome

nielsbasjes

@uxes I'm going to try it this weekend. If it works, where can I find the issue tracker/git repo to submit a patch proposal?

gpatel-fr

@uxes said in Enabling MAC randomization:

shipped on our system by default

I am not sure that any phone is doing that by default.
It has also a downside for anyone using this phone with ssh, that is, the IP address affected by the Dhcp server (the wifi access point) will change often.
It's not a big deal but it can be annoying.

uxes

@gpatel-fr

While I don't have a formal, tangible report to cite, my practical experience dealing with a network of around a hundred devices daily at my company confirms this: Android, iOS, and macOS absolutely randomize their MAC addresses. This behavior makes reliable device tracking within the company difficult, though it admittedly ensures a better degree of anonymity for our users.

https://source.android.com/docs/core/connect/wifi-mac-randomization-behavior

https://support.apple.com/en-us/102509
By default, your device improves privacy by using a different MAC address for each Wi-Fi network.

Vlad Nirky

@gpatel-fr
You could fix IP (as I did)

gpatel-fr

@Vlad-Nirky said in Enabling MAC randomization:

@gpatel-fr
You could fix IP

The option does not seem to be available in the phone UI - I guess that it can be done with some command line trickery. This is not something that is commonly done in Wifi networks where devices are rarely servers.

gpatel-fr

@uxes said in Enabling MAC randomization:

Android, iOS, and macOS absolutely randomize their MAC addresses

there seem to be yet some level of configuration:

https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/225839/get-new-random-mac-for-same-ssid-without-factory-reset-on-android-10

what is done by the trick I posted is mostly the highest level, non persistent randomization (except the 'new Mac address every few days'). The article suggests that this can be too strong for some internal 'enterprise' networks that have special requirements. So some level of configuration could be necessary, no size fits all. When adding options in the UI, it gets so much more complicated to program that you begin to understand why it was not done before for UT.

Vlad Nirky

@gpatel-fr
Not so hard and usefull
you must know which yaml file is used for the wifi in /etc/netplan
as root cd /etc/netplan and cat yaml files.
nano 90-NM-5f1fe55a-2996-4485-b6b3-a75fe76edc62.yaml (ie)
Then in the wifi one
replace

      dhcp4: true 
with
      dhcp4: false
      addresses:
        - [your wanted IP]/24 (or less)
      routes:
        - to: default
          via: [your router IP]
      nameservers:
        addresses: [your DNS1, your DNS2]

save it
and validate it by
netplan apply

gpatel-fr

@Vlad-Nirky said in Enabling MAC randomization:

Not so hard and usefull

yes that's a possibility. Another could be to stop and disable the mount unit + restarting the phone when staying at home.