Trying to revive 'ubtd' (Bluetooth file transfer)

PhAndersson

This being said, a further test confirms that when 'obexd' is running, it does register with D-Bus, only not with the expected name:

:1.129                                      5035 obexd           phablet          :1.129        user@32011.service              -       -

(the behaviour is the same on the laptop, BTW -- there at least, none of the D-Bus services that are started by a regular user register a name on the bus, even though a 'BusName' parameter is specified in their unit file; only services started as 'root' seem allowed to do that).

lduboeuf

@PhAndersson

In Xenial, it was working, when i look at patches on Xenial, it appear there are some related to obexd, that may explain:
https://github.com/ubports/bluez-packaging/tree/xenial/debian/patches

PhAndersson

@lduboeuf That's a very good point -- thanks a lot. I'll have a look at those patches, but most of all you reminded me that I still have a working Xiaomi phone running Xenial, so I'll investigate the way the Bluez/OBEX stack is configured there.

PhAndersson

OK, first batch of results:

'obexd' is started by default on Xenial and runs with the same command-line parameters
the same two OBEX-related packages are installed, but of course their version differ (5.53 for bluez-obexd, 1.7.1 for libopenobex2)
the files provided by the 'bluez-obexd' package are the same, except for the dbus-org.bluez.obex.service unit file that is missing on Xenial
the output of busctl list | grep bluez is quite close to what it is on Focal, except that the corresponding 'systemd' unit file is not shown
the output of busctl list | grep obex shows something in lieu of a unit file ('session-c1.scope' -- what is it?), but still doesn't advertise any name for the service (see below)
further digging reveals that although 'systemd' is already present on the system, it is not used for user-related processes (i.e. no systemd --user process) -- 'obexd' has been started by upstart --user (based on its PPID)

Maybe the problem on Focal stems from a lack of integration between the OBEX daemon and systemd --user (which could also explain why the service doesn't start although enabled)?

For what it's worth, here is the output of busctl list | grep obex on Xenial:

:1.59                                             4084 obexd           phablet          :1.59         session-c1.scope          c1         -

lduboeuf

@PhAndersson said in Trying to revive 'ubtd' (Bluetooth file transfer):

OK, first batch of results:

'obexd' is started by default on Xenial and runs with the same command-line parameters

the same two OBEX-related packages are installed, but of course their version differ (5.53 for bluez-obexd, 1.7.1 for libopenobex2)

the files provided by the 'bluez-obexd' package are the same, except for the dbus-org.bluez.obex.service unit file that is missing on Xenial

the output of busctl list | grep bluez is quite close to what it is on Focal, except that the corresponding 'systemd' unit file is not shown

the output of busctl list | grep obex shows something in lieu of a unit file ('session-c1.scope' -- what is it?), but still doesn't advertise any name for the service (see below)

further digging reveals that although 'systemd' is already present on the system, it is not used for user-related processes (i.e. no systemd --user process) -- 'obexd' has been started by upstart --user (based on its PPID)

Maybe the problem on Focal stems from a lack of integration between the OBEX daemon and systemd --user (which could also explain why the service doesn't start although enabled)?

For what it's worth, here is the output of busctl list | grep obex on Xenial:
:1.59                                             4084 obexd           phablet          :1.59         session-c1.scope          c1         -                  

Yes indeed, Xenial relies on upstart instead of systemd. Maybe something is missing there.
This discussion could interest core team. @peat_psuwit do you have an idea ?

PhAndersson

Further updates:

The obex.service systemd unit was in fact disabled by default. I enabled it with systemctl --user enable obex.service and then performed a full power-cycle on the phone.

After rebooting, obexd was still not running.

systemd reports the following about the service:

â obex.service - Bluetooth OBEX service
     Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/user/obex.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled)
    Drop-In: /usr/lib/systemd/user/obex.service.d
             ââubuntu-touch-session.conf
     Active: inactive (dead)

I didn't find anything in 'journal' that could explain why systemd failed to start the unit -- obexd logs its version during startup and even that wasn't present, so I don't believe it's a case of it dying prematurely.

Of course, I'm still able to start the service manually with systemctl --user start obex.service, and in this case, it keeps running until I power-cycle the phone.

gpatel-fr

@PhAndersson

I wonder how the obex service runs at all for you. It does not for me.
On my FP5 running 24.04.1.1, I get:

phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ systemctl --user cat obex
# /usr/lib/systemd/user/obex.service
[Unit]
Description=Bluetooth OBEX service

[Service]
Type=dbus
BusName=org.bluez.obex
ExecStart=/usr/libexec/bluetooth/obexd

[Install]
Alias=dbus-org.bluez.obex.service

# /usr/lib/systemd/user/obex.service.d/ubuntu-touch-session.conf
[Service]
ExecStart=
ExecStart=/usr/lib/bluetooth/obexd -P ftp,irmc,mas,pcsuite -r $HOME

as /usr/lib/bluetooth/obexd does not exist, the service fails to start.

EDIT: after some searching, and finding this github issue, I found the trick to add another override and after setting enable-linger for phablet with loginctl, the obex service is running after a restart.

Not that I can test anything involving Bluetooth for lack of a suitable peripheral

PhAndersson

@gpatel-fr said in Trying to revive 'ubtd' (Bluetooth file transfer):

@PhAndersson

I wonder how the obex service runs at all for you. It does not for me.

@lduboeuf already mentioned that obexd wouldn't start on 24.04. I don't use 24.04 yet myself, so I can't confirm.

On my FP5 running 24.04.1.1, I get:

phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ systemctl --user cat obex
# /usr/lib/systemd/user/obex.service
[Unit]
Description=Bluetooth OBEX service

[Service]
Type=dbus
BusName=org.bluez.obex
ExecStart=/usr/libexec/bluetooth/obexd

[Install]
Alias=dbus-org.bluez.obex.service

# /usr/lib/systemd/user/obex.service.d/ubuntu-touch-session.conf
[Service]
ExecStart=
ExecStart=/usr/lib/bluetooth/obexd -P ftp,irmc,mas,pcsuite -r $HOME

That content looks identical to what it is on 20.04.

as /usr/lib/bluetooth/obexd does not exist, the service fails to start.

Are you sure /usr/lib/bluetooth/obexd does not exist on 24.04? It is normally provided by the same package as the unit file whose content you just showed (package bluez-obexd).

EDIT: after some searching, and finding this github issue, I found the trick to add another override and after setting enable-linger for phablet with loginctl, the obex service is running after a restart.

Thanks a lot for that -- maybe this would the issue on 20.04 as well. I'll try.

Not that I can test anything involving Bluetooth for lack of a suitable peripheral

gpatel-fr

@PhAndersson said in Trying to revive 'ubtd' (Bluetooth file transfer):

Are you sure /usr/lib/bluetooth/obexd does not exist on 24.04

phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ ls /usr/lib/bluetooth/obexd
ls: cannot access '/usr/lib/bluetooth/obexd': No such file or directory

Well, that explains it then. When this upgrade from upstart to systemd, UT was still only on focal. When upgrading to 24.04, the path was not upgraded.
On a standard Ubuntu 24.04 (not UT):
apt-file list bluez-obexd
bluez-obexd: /usr/lib/systemd/user/obex.service
bluez-obexd: /usr/libexec/bluetooth/obexd
bluez-obexd: /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.bluez.obex.service
bluez-obexd: /usr/share/doc/bluez-obexd/changelog.Debian.gz
bluez-obexd: /usr/share/doc/bluez-obexd/copyright

yeah, that's a 24.04 thing. Before Ubuntu was putting the executable under /usr/lib.

I have filed an issue on gitlab.

PhAndersson

There is progress. I'm happy to report that the D-Bus registration issue that manifested itself through the following error message:

Error registering agent for the default adapter: QDBusError("org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown", "The name org.bluez.obex was not provided by any .service files")

is resolved. My mistake. I tried to connect to OBEX over the system bus, when it runs on the session bus.

Still no file transfer, though.

PhAndersson

@gpatel-fr said in Trying to revive 'ubtd' (Bluetooth file transfer):

@PhAndersson said in Trying to revive 'ubtd' (Bluetooth file transfer):
yeah, that's a 24.04 thing. Before Ubuntu was putting the executable under /usr/lib.

I have filed an issue on gitlab.

Splendid! Many thanks.

PhAndersson

@gpatel-fr said in Trying to revive 'ubtd' (Bluetooth file transfer):
EDIT: after some searching, and finding this github issue, I found the trick to add another override and after setting enable-linger for phablet with loginctl, the obex service is running after a restart.

I just tried the enable-linger trick on 20.04:

$ loginctl enable-linger

then confirmed that it was set using

$ loginctl user-status

but after power-cycling the phone, the OBEX daemon still won't start automatically even though its unit file is still enabled.

You mentioned "another override": was there something else to do?

gpatel-fr

@PhAndersson

the other override is needed because of the specific 24.04 problem, you should not need it.

Maybe all that is needed is to enable again the service.

What's the result of

systemctl --user status obex

also, is there a symbolic link to the service under ~/.config/systemd/user/default.target.wants ?
if not systemd will not start it.

PhAndersson

@gpatel-fr said in Trying to revive 'ubtd' (Bluetooth file transfer):

@PhAndersson

the other override is needed because of the specific 24.04 problem, you should not need it.

OK -- thanks.

Maybe all that is needed is to enable again the service.

What's the result of

systemctl --user status obex

obex.service is still enabled -- here is the requested output:

â obex.service - Bluetooth OBEX service
     Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/user/obex.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled)
    Drop-In: /usr/lib/systemd/user/obex.service.d
             ââubuntu-touch-session.conf
     Active: inactive (dead)

also, is there a symbolic link to the service under ~/.config/systemd/user/default.target.wants ?
if not systemd will not start it.

Well -- that's a good hint

As it turns out, the folder called ~/.config/systemd/user/default.target.wants does not exist at all. There is a folder called graphical-session.target.wants but the symlink is not there either. The symlink is created one level above, i.e. in ~/.config/systemd/user/. Here is the ls -l output:

total 20
lrwxrwxrwx 1 phablet phablet   34 Jan 15 10:50 dbus-org.bluez.obex.service -> /usr/lib/systemd/user/obex.service
-rw-rw-r-- 1 phablet phablet  768 Oct  4 16:55 dekkod-notify.service
-rw-rw-r-- 1 phablet phablet  716 Oct  4 16:55 dekkod.service
drwxr-xr-x 2 phablet phablet 4096 Mar 27  2025 graphical-session.target.wants
-rw-rw-r-- 1 phablet phablet  332 Mar 27  2025 osmscout-server.service
-rw-rw-r-- 1 phablet phablet  174 Mar 27  2025 osmscout-server.socket

By way of comparison, on my laptop running openSUSE Leap 15.6, the OBEX symlink is created in the exact same place (and obexd successfully starts when I log in), so I don't know whether or not it's enough to explain why the service fails to start on the phone.

This being said, my app is now able to start obexd by itself if not running already, so that aspect has become less critical.

gpatel-fr

@PhAndersson said in Trying to revive 'ubtd' (Bluetooth file transfer):

lrwxrwxrwx 1 phablet phablet 34 Jan 15 10:50 dbus-org.bluez.obex.service -

I have it too; it's a different thing, it's for the dbus part I think.

@PhAndersson said in Trying to revive 'ubtd' (Bluetooth file transfer):

my app is now able to start obexd by itself if not running already,

It may be possible to activate on demand, but I have no idea how.

PhAndersson

OK, yet more updates.

As already indicated above, my app now successfully registers with D-Bus/OBEX:

[20/01/2026 13:50] Creating a QMirClientScreen now
[20/01/2026 13:50] reply QDBusMessage(type=MethodReturn, service=":1.28", signature="", contents=([]) )
[20/01/2026 13:50] creating agent on dbus
[20/01/2026 13:50] registering agent
[20/01/2026 13:50] discovering obex service
[20/01/2026 13:50] OBEX service not found, attempting D-Bus activation
[20/01/2026 13:50] OBEX service activated successfully
[20/01/2026 13:50] found OBEX service at: "org.bluez.obex"
[20/01/2026 13:50] registering agent on obexd-server
[20/01/2026 13:50] Agent registered successfully
[20/01/2026 13:50] have entries: (".", "..", "HubIncoming", "qmlcache", "qtshadercache-arm64-little_endian-lp64") "/home/phablet/.cache/ratatoskr.philipa"
[20/01/2026 13:50] file:///usr/lib/aarch64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/Lomiri/Components/1.3/Icon.qml:115:5: QML Image: Failed to get image from provider: image://theme/network-cellular-connected
[20/01/2026 13:50] QObject::startTimer: Timers cannot be started from another thread
[20/01/2026 13:52] file:///usr/lib/aarch64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/Lomiri/Components/1.3/Icon.qml:115:5: QML Image: Failed to get image from provider: image://theme/network-cellular-connected
[20/01/2026 13:52] file:///usr/lib/aarch64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/Lomiri/Components/1.3/Icon.qml:115:5: QML Image: Failed to get image from provider: image://theme/network-cellular-connected
[20/01/2026 13:52] qt.qpa.mirclient: Attempted to deliver an event to a non-existent window, ignoring.

But when I start the app and try to push a file from the laptop to the phone over BT, obexd logs the following:

[20/01/2026 13:50] OBEX daemon 5.64
[20/01/2026 13:50] Excluding pcsuite
[20/01/2026 13:50] Excluding ftp
[20/01/2026 13:50] Excluding irmc
[20/01/2026 13:50] Excluding mas
[20/01/2026 13:51] CONNECT(0x0), <unknown>(0xff)
[20/01/2026 13:51] CONNECT(0x0), <unknown>(0x0)
[20/01/2026 13:51] PUT(0x2), <unknown>(0xff)
[20/01/2026 13:51] Agent replied with an error: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied, An AppArmor policy prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient; type="method_call", sender=":1.107" (uid=32011 pid=4463 comm="/usr/lib/bluetooth/obexd -P ftp,irmc,mas,pcsuite -" label="unconfined") interface="org.bluez.obex.Agent1" member="AuthorizePush" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination=":1.106" (uid=32011 pid=4460 comm="ratatoskr " label="ratatoskr.philipa_ratatoskr_260120124119 (enforce)")
[20/01/2026 13:51] PUT(0x2), Forbidden(0x43)
[20/01/2026 13:51] DISCONNECT(0x1), <unknown>(0xff)
[20/01/2026 13:51] DISCONNECT(0x1), Success(0x20)
[20/01/2026 13:51] disconnected: Transport got disconnected

Looking in journal, another message is found right before the error reported by obexd, this one issued by dbus-daemon (here copied from an earlier test run):

Jan 15 16:44:14 hatshepsut dbus-daemon[2372]: apparmor="DENIED" operation="dbus_method_call"  bus="session" path="/test/agent" interface="org.bluez.obex.Agent1" member="AuthorizePush" name=":1.94" mask="receive" pid=5216 label="ratatoskr.philipa_ratatoskr_260115153557" peer_pid=3539 peer_label="unconfined"

Clearly, the IPC between obexd and the agent registered by my app seems to be blocked by AppArmor. This is the current AA profile for my app:

{
    "policy_groups": [
        "bluetooth",
        "networking",
        "content_exchange",
        "content_exchange_source"
    ],
    "policy_version": 20.04
}

Can anyone tell me what could be missing?

gpatel-fr

@PhAndersson said in Trying to revive 'ubtd' (Bluetooth file transfer):

AuthorizePush

this is denied; I never dabbled much with Apparmor, and certainly not with UT; I notice with some dismay that there are no apparmor logs and I have no clear idea on the better way to enable them unfortunately.

For now, I have only one positive thing to say: in the application that worked with 16.04, the template was set to 'unconfined'; while this is not generally a great idea, to advance your testing maybe it could be worth a try to add it to the apparmor profile ?

PhAndersson

@gpatel-fr said in Trying to revive 'ubtd' (Bluetooth file transfer):

For now, I have only one positive thing to say: in the application that worked with 16.04, the template was set to 'unconfined'; while this is not generally a great idea, to advance your testing maybe it could be worth a try to add it to the apparmor profile ?

Yes, you're right -- it's certainly worth a try.

PhAndersson

Well, good news! With the "unconfined" AA profile, the app works

The phone successfully received a .jpeg file sent over BT from my laptop:

gpatel-fr

@PhAndersson

Great ! have happy file exchanges with your car