proposal: lets bring full python support to UT
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@developerbayman you may want to try ask in "Break your UT (Ubuntu Touch)" chat
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@uxes i may if it does not get moved but i feel its a too serious of a proposal (at least for me anyway)
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Short answer: You can already use python.
Long answer:
Many use case you're bringing up are dangerous, not allowed or even it will not be Ubuntu Touch anymore ; this for example:
@developerbayman said in proposal: lets bring full python support to UT:with system level python i could even make "addendums" to existing application plugging in features externally with runtime injections?
System tools or an AI assistant would have to be integrated to the OS, it's hard to push as a confined app.
It seems you're not asking for Python, but instead to remove apps confinement.
And that will not happen.You also want to bring a new DE, that also will not happen ; it would be too heavy to bring alonside Lomiri and would break native apps.
If Ubuntu Touch is so stable it's because Lomiri has been polished over the years ; it also thansk to confinement (in addition to the RO rootfs) which prevent many user errors.
If you can bring a full featured browser then no problem, just make it a click but it's not that simple and I don't know how python can overcome the struggle to make a GUI for Ubuntu Touch.
I understand your intentions, but when you write "lets bring full python support to UT", I read "lets replace Ubuntu Touch by something very different"
Also I don't see how you plan on doing so, or if you even thought about what it implies to move in the direction you're suggesting
Edit: I don't mean to rain on your parade or try to discourage you.
I just want to understand what your suggesting.
And if I understood correctly to give you some context to figure out if it's even reasonable. -
i have browser i made (screenshots offtopic thank you post) when i wake up ill convert to mobile it can do drm content download manager video downloader and page source code viewer ....as a desktop app it weighs 11kb while running youtube and facebook uses around 200 mb ram +- .....i must sleep now ......i have good rebuttals to all of your concerns and breaking containerization isnt the goal ......but i will come back to this when i can string my thoughts together better and explain .....mobile in python is super easy and lightweight (usually)
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I understand your intentions, but when you write "lets bring full python support to UT", I read "lets replace Ubuntu Touch by something very different"<
not at all actually like you said python is already there the issue in its current form is it cannot load 3rd party libs this makes it only functional in the sense it behaves as a very basic scripting agent ....for example this would allow push button service control and is in fact using a mobile lib (just does not look that way im testing on a desktop) this would be a handy thing instead of typing terminal commands on a touch screen but would require system level access ....i seek not to change UT but to enhance it this is a minor example and maybe not even a wanted feature im just trying to show what im mean
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another example does UT have a disk usage application? without system level access and 3rd party lib support i cannot bring this to UT this also uses a mobile UI and could easily be tweak for small screens ....i can go on and on with these examples so surly you understand my frustration? everything from media players to office suite i have and as i stated in my previous post in off topic ....most of this software while im using in my own distro i designed it with UT in the back of my mind
.....maybe these are terrible examples? ........idk man all i know is i would like to make it a even better user experience but the current framework does not allow me to shine -
and true some things can be put into a clickable ....but alot of things cannot
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oh one more thing i could also do things like "recovery ninja" a background service that would detect a state change in a file system .....if something got broken it would compare to the original and automatically restore the files inform the user they broke it but it automatically fixed it .....while still allowing people to fiddle around (people do want to fiddle) .....if done properly my ideas could be used to reinforce UT's security mind approach .......but i do have to admit one super flaw in all of my pining .....im on a xaiomi redmi note 9 pro .....so im a little blind to the resource limitations of other devices ......im going to endeavor to compile UT for my device ill set up a test case version using my device ....ill make changes to present to the community and if yall like it you can adopt it or not .....in the end this would probably be the best way to go about it and please everyone (myself included)
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I were already in the RND on this , also this is already possible i even run kivy inside clickable confined app .but a bit experimental .
