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        gpatel-fr @fredldotme
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        @fredldotme said in Enabling MAC randomization:

        a quick reboot with this applied on my FP4 resulted in the same IP assigned as before.

        something like that should work, even if probably the unit file should include a before stanza, see below. However it could also depend on what is in the modified NetworkManager.conf.

        I tried it a bit differently, partly out of a (possibly outlandish) idea of 'don't change the NetworkManager.conf file ! it is distro controlled'. Well, lol, you for all intent and purpose are the distro here and you advise precisely that ๐Ÿ™‚

        phablet@ubuntu-phablet:/userdata/system-data/etc/NetworkManager/conf.d$ ls
        randomwifimacaddress.conf

        cat randomwifimacaddress.conf
        [device]
        wifi.scan-rand-mac-address=yes

        [connection]
        wifi.cloned-mac-address=random

        cat /userdata/system-data/etc/systemd/system/etc-NetworkManager-conf.d.mount
        [Unit]
        Description=Mount unit for etc/NetworkManager/conf.d
        DefaultDependencies=no
        Requires=system.slice dev-sda17.device -.mount
        Conflicts=umount.target
        Before=umount.target local-fs.target
        Before=network-pre.service
        Wants=network-pre.service

        [Mount]
        Where=/etc/NetworkManager/conf.d
        What=/userdata/system-data/etc/NetworkManager/conf.d
        Options=rw,relatime,upperdir=/userdata/system-data/etc/NetworkManager/conf.d,lowerdir=/etc/NetworkManager/conf.d,workdir=/userdata/system-data/tmp
        Type=overlay

        [Install]
        WantedBy=network.target

        [there are very probably unnecessary things in this unit...]

        phablet@ubuntu-phablet:/userdata/system-data/etc/NetworkManager/conf.d$ ls /userdata/system-data/tmp -lart
        total 12
        d--------- 2 root root 4096 juil. 11 20:52 work
        drwxr-xr-x 3 700 root 4096 juil. 11 20:52 .
        drwxr-xr-x 9 root root 4096 nov. 11 01:38 ..

        after the usual systemd dance ; sudo systemctl daemon-reload, sudo systemctl start, sudo systemctl start etc-NetworkManager-conf.d.mount (to test), systemctl enable etc-NetworkManager-conf.d.mount (to validate before rebooting the phone), it seems to apply a new mac address after the restart or a disable/enable of Wifi on the phone.

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          fredldotme @gpatel-fr
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          @gpatel-fr I agree your approach using overlayfs is better, puts the file in the same place we would regularly put our customizations.

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            gpatel-fr @fredldotme
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            @fredldotme said in Enabling MAC randomization:

            using overlayfs is better

            Well, using overlayfs was mostly an experiment on my part (finding on the Internet an example of a mount unit with overlayfs was surprising difficult - finally I had to test on my PC to find a form that actually works - and the official way does not seem to work on Ubuntu 24.04 - it's possible than systemd is bugged at this point)
            The downside is, as each port has its own kernel, having overlayfs available is not a sure thing as having the possibility of bind-mounting. As I had no more experience with bind-mount than overlayfs, I used the most exciting possibility ๐Ÿ™‚

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              nielsbasjes @gpatel-fr
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              @gpatel-fr I have not tried this idea. I realized this is such an "extreme" way of settings this (also looking at the other replies) that I asked here first.

              My key question is : Is this the right direction or is there a simple, clean and reliable way of enabling MAC randomization.

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                gpatel-fr @nielsbasjes
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                @nielsbasjes said in Enabling MAC randomization:

                Is this the right direction or is there a simple, clean and reliable way of enabling MAC randomization.

                If you don't know about it, @fredldotme is a pillar of UT, certainly the second ranked; so if he don't advise for a 'simpler, cleaner' solution, you can assume that there is no obvious one. Having the rootfs read-only is certainly a solid part of the core tenets of UT.

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                  uxes @nielsbasjes
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                  @nielsbasjes mac random addresses are now pretty much a standart, it would be great if this implementation is shipped on our system by default , if you manage to get this working and send it upstream, thatโ€™d be awesome

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                    nielsbasjes @uxes
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                    @uxes I'm going to try it this weekend. If it works, where can I find the issue tracker/git repo to submit a patch proposal?

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                      gpatel-fr @uxes
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                      @uxes said in Enabling MAC randomization:

                      shipped on our system by default

                      I am not sure that any phone is doing that by default.
                      It has also a downside for anyone using this phone with ssh, that is, the IP address affected by the Dhcp server (the wifi access point) will change often.
                      It's not a big deal but it can be annoying.

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                        uxes @gpatel-fr
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                        @gpatel-fr

                        While I don't have a formal, tangible report to cite, my practical experience dealing with a network of around a hundred devices daily at my company confirms this: Android, iOS, and macOS absolutely randomize their MAC addresses. This behavior makes reliable device tracking within the company difficult, though it admittedly ensures a better degree of anonymity for our users.

                        https://source.android.com/docs/core/connect/wifi-mac-randomization-behavior

                        https://support.apple.com/en-us/102509
                        By default, your device improves privacy by using a different MAC address for each Wi-Fi network.

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                          Vlad Nirky @gpatel-fr
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                          @gpatel-fr
                          You could fix IP (as I did)

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                            gpatel-fr @Vlad Nirky
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                            @Vlad-Nirky said in Enabling MAC randomization:

                            @gpatel-fr
                            You could fix IP

                            The option does not seem to be available in the phone UI - I guess that it can be done with some command line trickery. This is not something that is commonly done in Wifi networks where devices are rarely servers.

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                              gpatel-fr @uxes
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                              @uxes said in Enabling MAC randomization:

                              Android, iOS, and macOS absolutely randomize their MAC addresses

                              there seem to be yet some level of configuration:

                              https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/225839/get-new-random-mac-for-same-ssid-without-factory-reset-on-android-10

                              what is done by the trick I posted is mostly the highest level, non persistent randomization (except the 'new Mac address every few days'). The article suggests that this can be too strong for some internal 'enterprise' networks that have special requirements. So some level of configuration could be necessary, no size fits all. When adding options in the UI, it gets so much more complicated to program that you begin to understand why it was not done before for UT.

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                                Vlad Nirky @gpatel-fr
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                                @gpatel-fr
                                Not so hard and usefull
                                you must know which yaml file is used for the wifi in /etc/netplan
                                as root cd /etc/netplan and cat yaml files.
                                nano 90-NM-5f1fe55a-2996-4485-b6b3-a75fe76edc62.yaml (ie)
                                Then in the wifi one
                                replace

                                      dhcp4: true 
                                with
                                      dhcp4: false
                                      addresses:
                                        - [your wanted IP]/24 (or less)
                                      routes:
                                        - to: default
                                          via: [your router IP]
                                      nameservers:
                                        addresses: [your DNS1, your DNS2]
                                

                                save it
                                and validate it by
                                netplan apply

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                                  gpatel-fr @Vlad Nirky
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                                  @Vlad-Nirky said in Enabling MAC randomization:

                                  Not so hard and usefull

                                  yes that's a possibility. Another could be to stop and disable the mount unit + restarting the phone when staying at home.

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                                    nielsbasjes @nielsbasjes
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                                    What we did:

                                    To test

                                    The /run/ is reset on every reboot so we first created /run/NetworkManager/conf.d/20-randomwifimacaddress.conf with

                                    [device]
                                    wifi.scan-rand-mac-address=yes
                                    
                                    [connection]
                                    wifi.cloned-mac-address=random
                                    
                                    • Restart NetworkManager: systemctl restart NetworkManager

                                    The observed effects:

                                    • The MAC address was random everytime (as configured).
                                    • The wifi network scanning no longer works in the config app.
                                      Scanning from the command line does still work. nmcli radio wifi on && nmcli device wifi rescan && nmcli device wifi list && nmcli radio wifi off

                                    I could really use some help on that one.

                                    To make permanent

                                    • Created /userdata/system-data/etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/
                                    • Copied the existing /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/default-wifi-powersave-on.conf to /userdata/system-data/etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/.
                                    • Created /userdata/system-data/tmp/
                                    • Created the described /userdata/system-data/etc/systemd/system/etc-NetworkManager-conf.d.mount
                                    [Unit]
                                    Description=Mount unit for /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d
                                    DefaultDependencies=no
                                    Requires=system.slice dev-sda17.device -.mount
                                    Conflicts=umount.target
                                    Before=umount.target local-fs.target
                                    Before=network-pre.service
                                    Wants=network-pre.service
                                    
                                    [Mount]
                                    Where=/etc/NetworkManager/conf.d
                                    What=/userdata/system-data/etc/NetworkManager/conf.d
                                    Options=rw,relatime,upperdir=/userdata/system-data/etc/NetworkManager/conf.d,lowerdir=/etc/NetworkManager/conf.d,workdir=/userdata/system-data/tmp
                                    Type=overlay
                                    
                                    [Install]
                                    WantedBy=network.target
                                    
                                    • Created /userdata/system-data/etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/20-randomwifimacaddress.conf with
                                    [device]
                                    wifi.scan-rand-mac-address=yes
                                    
                                    [connection]
                                    wifi.cloned-mac-address=random
                                    
                                    • Ran commands
                                      • systemctl daemon-reload
                                      • systemctl start etc-NetworkManager-conf.d.mount
                                    • Verify it was correctly mounted and had the right files
                                    • Ran commands
                                      • systemctl enable etc-NetworkManager-conf.d.mount

                                    Summary so far

                                    • MAC Randomization works
                                    • Wifi network scanning in the config app no longer works (and it does work using nmcli). If we disable the scan mac randomization then the config app works again.
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                                      gpatel-fr @nielsbasjes
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                                      @nielsbasjes said in Enabling MAC randomization:

                                      Wifi network scanning in the config app no longer works

                                      if you mean that the other networks don't appear when disabling and enabling wifi in settings/wifi, I don't repro. I can still see them. I think it has happened to me even without randomisation, the problem is a bit random itself ๐Ÿ™‚

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                                        nielsbasjes @gpatel-fr
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                                        @gpatel-fr Correct, the list in the config UI does not show any of the available networks. On the FP5 we have it seems to be directly related to the scan randomisation setting.

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                                          gpatel-fr @nielsbasjes
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                                          @nielsbasjes

                                          Since the grand total of devices in the test is 2 it's difficult to conclude anything.

                                          Does it happen in any neighboroud ? I mean has it been only tested in an enterprise context with special enterprise wifi access point? which version of UT do you use ?

                                          If the problem really interests you, you could enter the lxc android container (sudo lxc-attach --name android -- sh) and use logcat or take a look at the android wifi logs (/data/vendor/wifi/wlan_logs) while disabling/enabling the wifi in the Ui to see if any interesting error message does appear at this time.

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                                            gpatel-fr @gpatel-fr
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                                            said in Enabling MAC randomization:

                                            the problem is a bit random itself ๐Ÿ™‚

                                            actually, it's a bit clearer now; when I enable wifi, I see the whole bunch of other wifi access points around my place; if I close settings and come back after some time (don't remember, maybe half an hour) and I open wifi settings again, I don't see anymore any other access points that the one I am connected to.

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                                              nielsbasjes @gpatel-fr
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                                              @gpatel-fr The tests I did were in a residential setting with the Wifi SSIDs of serveral neighbors showing up.

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