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    Jami as better communication option for Ubuntu Touch

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      marlboro50
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      Ubuntu Touch currently has multiple messaging solutions (FluffyChat, web apps, and Waydroid Android apps). We have come a long way, but these remain application-level solutions rather than a system-integrated real-time communication layer.

      There is still no native system-level solution for real-time voice and video communication. Web apps and Android via Waydroid work, but are not integrated into the Lomiri UX.

      I believe Jami could be worth exploring as a convergence-native communication stack to potentially fill this gap, with deeper integration into Lomiri.

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        Moem @marlboro50
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        @marlboro50 said:

        native system-level solution for real-time voice and video communication

        I don´t know what that is. I mean the 'system-level' part. What does 'a system-integrated real-time communication layer' mean?

        As for native solutions for video chat, have you tried Jitsi and DeltaTouch?

        Is currently using an Op5t
        Also owns an Op1, a BQ E4.5, an Xperia X, a Nothing Phone 1, and a Rabbit R1 as well as a BQ tablet and a Pinetab2. Please, someone... make it stop.

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          nbdynl @marlboro50
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          @marlboro50 Hello,

          First to understand what Jami is, i watched a video about it.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Wi99K33qrw&t=9s

          So in general, apps like Fluffy, Element, and even Jitsi (for the starter) still need a user account.
          Delta chat can be run on your own email server (without notifications).
          This on the other hand is peer to peer encrypted without a platform in between.
          Meaning when offline, no messages are send to anyone.

          Does it sound interesting, yea, but just from this video alone i cant say i investigated it ;-).

          So then the question "a native, system-level solution for real-time voice and video communication."

          Do we need something like this system wide? and why? why is adding this to the store not enough? like if i have to convince friends to stay off Whatsapp, i kinda have to settle for what the majority of my people use right?
          so either signal, delta chat, element, Session, Threema, Jitsi Meet and so on offer tools to chat with friends and family. But if no one in my network downloads the application,
          it is kinda useless to have this in my system image.

          What is your idea behind integrating it into the system? and what are we going to say to the developers that are building "secure" messaging apps already on our platform?

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            marlboro50 @nbdynl
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            @nbdynl You’re asking exactly the right hard question here — and it’s also the main reason this topic should get debated.
            App-level messaging (what we have today)

            What you described is correct:

            FluffyChat → Matrix account needed
            Element → Matrix account needed
            Jitsi Meet → server/session needed
            Delta Chat / Signal / Session / Threema → all rely on:
            networks
            identity systems
            other users installing the same app

            This is the ecosystem layer

            And your conclusion is correct:
            If your contacts don’t use it, the app is functionally irrelevant
            That is a network effect problem, not a technical one.

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              marlboro50 @nbdynl
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              @nbdynl We are already using system-level services:
              Wi-Fi -> handled by OS
              Bluetooth -> handled by OS
              Notifications -> handled by OS
              Audio -> handled by OS

              Now extend that idea:
              “Calls and real-time communication become a system service”

              Jami is already available for windows, ios, android, linux (as a snap that can install on ubuntu touch but not convergeant)

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