Ubuntu on Huawei devices?
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Hey everyone,
Following the US governments decision toward Huawei, maybe being able to have Ubuntu on their phones would be interesting for them.
And at the same time, if they started contributing it could be nice to have a big vendor like in the project.If somebody has contacts there it might be good for everyone involved to pitch them the idea !
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UT does not meet all the regulatory requirements for Huawei to be able to ship it on their phones in China, so it seems very unlikely.
Also, they don't use Google Play in China anyway, and have been working on their own alternative forks of Android, which they will probably expand.
Partnership would also likely be legally difficult, due to the politics.
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Well they have no chance other than to continue with Android. That´s why people buy this stuff, they need to sell millions of phones each year and with UT that would never happen. You cannot just simply switch a major feature of your product and expect the same market behaviour.
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@Leppa said in Ubuntu on Huawei devices?:
ye, chinese policy on data is essentially the opposite of what we want - the chinese government can ask for whatever data they, want, and get it
Please don't make such assumptions. China has an exhaustive set of regulations for smart phone interfaces, that must be met to be sold on devices. The unity8 stack does not meet those requirements.
This is nothing to do with data retention or access by third parties such as the government.
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@Flohack I think Huawei doesn't have much to worry about. They are the market leader in China.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/03/huawei-2018-sales-surged-100bn-pressure-190329055050536.html
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@Leppa said in Ubuntu on Huawei devices?:
the chinese government can ask for whatever data they, want, and get it
This is hardly unique (c.f. https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/PLAW-107publ56/html/PLAW-107publ56.htm), and is not the regulatory obstacle to shipping Ubuntu Touch in China.
But, regardless of regulatory concerns, the commercial reality is that Huawei can continue to use the open parts of Android and already have replacements for Google services they could roll out worldwide. For them that is far less risky than switching to something that is far less mature, and unproven in any commercial market.
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@dobey I don't agree with " China has an exhaustive set of regulations for smart phone interfaces, that must be met to be sold on devices." China goverment didn't not has such law or regulations of that. Maybe you mean Huawei's regulations.Yes, Huawei don't allow we unlock our phone's bootloader and flash to Ubuntu-touch. Beside, Huawei has its own mobile system according to the news.
But, WeChat,Alipay,some school application,DingDing(a application used for discuss about work),all map apps and so much application only has IOS and Android version. Also all of them don't have a web version.(maybe maps application has one, but it didn't work very well)n They are so important for every day life that nowadays most Chinese people think if a mobile phone can not install thers apps, it is as same as a Nokia 3110. Just like a phone in your hand without Telegram, Twitter,line,facebook.
In my opinion,LACK OF IMPORTANT APPLICATION IS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM TO SPREAD UBUNTU-TOUCH IN CHINA, NOT THESE REGULATIONS. -
@xqqy You can think what you want, but I have seen the regulatory requirements, as Canonical was in talks with a Chinese phone maker, to ship in China, and before they could ship, there were a minimum set of requirements in those regulations that had to be met. Ubuntu phone did not yet meet those requirements when Canonical decided to drop the project. And those requirements are still not met.
Someone in China would have to make apps for all the in-China things. Why not ask Alipay/WeChat/etc… to provide apps, or the necessary APIs to build them?
Missing apps has nothing to do with Huawei though.
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Just to keep everyone up to speed in case you missed this.
[Forwarded from Florian Leeber]
I am fully against any cooperation with Huawei sorry to say. As I said yesterday in the supergroup: No we wont ask for this. Huawei is in a very political discussion and the foundation needs to stay neutral. We will not endorse, recommend any or cooperate with companies that are under the impression of political influence -
Why on Earth did anyone downvote @dobey's last post? He worked for Canonical and knows exactly what he is talking about on this subject.
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@trainailleur You can hover over the number of votes a post has to see who voted on it
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It had a -1 tally when I saw it, and I could not view who had downvoted it. Also, as soon as I upvoted it, the tally went to +1, not 0 as I had expected, and now it's at +2 with only your and my votes showing. I can't pretend I understand how up and down votes work on this forum.
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@Leppa said in Ubuntu on Huawei devices?:
@trainailleur You can hover over the number of votes a post has to see who voted on it
You can only see who upvoted, not who downvoted.
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Why would UbPorts foundation with it's stated objective of respecting user privacy and open source software even remotely consider cooperating with the most intransparented IT-company in the world, bound to the regulations of an authoritarian anti-democratic regime ?
This would be the end of UbPorts foundation before it even has fully taken off.
This also nicely demonstrates the importance of being a foundation registered under German law because any activities in such direction could be in conflict with the foundation by-laws and objectives. -
in china , we need alipay/wechat/qq and Some games.
But these don't have a ubuntu touch app .
They won't develop native applications for ubuntu touch until it becomes widespread.
And only if you have a lot of users possible they be able to provide an Application Programming Interface for you to develop the application,And the application cannot be open source -
maybe,in order to promote it in China, it can only promote anbox optimization
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I refer once again to what has already been stated by Florian
[Forwarded from Florian Leeber]
I am fully against any cooperation with Huawei sorry to say. As I said yesterday in the supergroup: No we wont ask for this. Huawei is in a very political discussion and the foundation needs to stay neutral. We will not endorse, recommend any or cooperate with companies that are under the impression of political influence.I think that really puts an end to this thread so am going to lock it. There is always Off Topic if needed.
