FluffyChat Encryption via Pantalaimon

A Former User

So I was able to activate Pantalaimon, and use it from Fluffy Chat. Its really easy thanks to your work.

It seems like encryption is working but within Element Clients I get this red warning sign besides each message from the Pantalaimon + Fluffy combo that says its not encrypted.

I played around a lot. My understanding of everything is still basic but I did not find a way get rid of this. Am I doing sth. wrong?

thrrgilag

@jimmypesto it has to do with verification of the client session (or lack thereof). Unforunatly that isn't exposed through a UI right with this build. You can blindly verify the session through Element but otherwise as it stands there isn't a good way to do it atm.

A Former User

@thrrgilag Today Fluffy crashed and I had to login again. Afterwards the warning sign was gone.

Hmn but in the Fluffy encryption options I can see the keys used for verification and I can enable/disable these.

Is there a recommended way to set up E2EE between two ppl with lets say 2 devices each (and one of these is UB Fluffy + Pantalaimon)?

Im just getting started, sry for all these questions and thanks for your support.

thrrgilag

@jimmypesto said in FluffyChat Encryption via Pantalaimon:

@thrrgilag Today Fluffy crashed and I had to login again. Afterwards the warning sign was gone.

Don't forget if you have to sign in again, that fluffy is pointing to pantalaimon

Is there a recommended way to set up E2EE between two ppl with lets say 2 devices each (and one of these is UB Fluffy + Pantalaimon)?

Because there isn't any controls available from the UB Fluffy+Pantalaimon side you'll have to start the encrypted chat using another client that supports encryption such as Element. Once you've done that it should work in UB Fluffy. Keep in mind that if you have previously encrypted messages those won't be decryptable since you can't easily import the keys from another session. But new messages should decrypt just fine.

thrrgilag

For those who aren't already aware, the latest FluffyChat update fixes the broken image issue when used with Pantalaimon.

jonius

@thrrgilag nice!

May I ask what keeps you from uploading the app to the OpenStore? I think it is useful the way it is right now.

thrrgilag

@jonius said in FluffyChat Encryption via Pantalaimon:

@thrrgilag nice!

May I ask what keeps you from uploading the app to the OpenStore? I think it is useful the way it is right now.

At this point I think it's mostly a matter of me not having the time to chase it down. I'll see if I can dig up that information and figure out what that process is to get it approved and submitted in the next week or so.

slowcyclist

I have downloaded the latest click package, but struggled a bit finding how one is supposed to manually install such a click package. I did

pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted pantalaimon.thrrgilag_0.5.0_arm64.click

Then I could open launch the app, configure it, start the service. All seemed fine. However, Fluffychat does not connect through pantalaimon (" no connection "). And Fluffychat can connect directly to my homeserver.

Looking in the logs, it seems pantalaimon has a problem

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "peewee.py", line 3035, in connect
  File "peewee.py", line 3371, in _connect
sqlite3.OperationalError: unable to open database file

During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "pantalaimon", line 10, in <module>
  File "click/core.py", line 829, in __call__
 [...]
  File "peewee.py", line 3371, in _connect
peewee.OperationalError: unable to open database file
[11864] Failed to execute script pantalaimon

I suspect the way I installed the app might not give it the proper rights to operate correctly. If so can anyone tell me how one is supposed to properly install a click package manually? Otherwise, any idea how I can debug the issue?

Keneda

@slowcyclist
Ubuntu Touch Tweak Tool have a built in feature to install click packages.

slowcyclist

Hey thanks @keneda, problem solved! I wish that piece of information were more obvious...

jonius

@thrrgilag would it be easy to include panctl into the click so that people could verify the device on command line at least? I see that it gets built with pantalaimon already, but not packaged.

thrrgilag

@jonius as I recall it builds but doesn't necessarily run. But it's been a while so I don't recall exactly what the issue was. I'll take a look again when I get a moment and see what I can get working.

Hugehead

@thrrgilag hello, i am using fluffychat with pantalaimon. I have the issue with pictures are not shown in the preview (or aactually at all) on my device . could you please let me know what to do?

thrrgilag

@hugehead The image loading issue should have been resolved with the last update to FluffyChat. Can you share some specifics about your setup?

Device
Ubuntu Touch version
FluffyChat version
Pantalaimon-UT version

A Former User

Hey,
after successfully using this nice application for a longer time without any big problems I switched my home server and now I have problems to login correctly.

I was able to login two times after resetting everything. But after a reboot I am always back to the Fluffy login screen. When I then login, Fluffy says sth. like "no connection" and there is an empty account opened with no chats or data. This always creates a new Fluffy Chat login session on my Matrix account but there is just a single Pantalaimon session visible.

When I was loged in successfully futhermore I wasn't able to activate encryption. Messeges send from the Phone were always taged to be unencrypted.

Do you have any Idea what could cause this problems? Maybe its also related to my homeserver configuration as it was working perfectly before.

Thanks for your help,
JimmyPesto

thrrgilag

@jimmypesto could be something left over from the old connection confusing things. Try doing the following.

stop and disable pantalaimon
delete or rename /home/phablet/.local/share/pantalaimon
enable and start pantalaimon
login through fluffychat

And if that's all good try another reboot to ensure it comes remains logged in.

A Former User

@thrrgilag thanks for that super quick answer!

Steps i followed:

disabled pantalaimon
Opened adb shell to
sudo rm -r /home/phablet/.local/share/pantalaimon
added my homeserver again to pantalaimon
enable and start pantalaimon
login with fluffy (successful login, but still no encrypted messages send to other element clients)
reboot
open Fluffy which is still online, nice, I hope it will last now

But still all encrypted conversations receive unencrypted messages from my phone. At least Element says so.
I set the pantalaimon session to be trusted from Element and I enabled all other devices in Fluffys encrypton settings of different rooms.
Even though I can read messeges inside encrypted rooms, I can not find a way to get rid of that "not encrypted" warning sign. I am confused.

thrrgilag

@jimmypesto okay I'll see if I can reproduce and report back if I have an answer of any sort. If you could see if there is anything useful in the logs, I'm guessing not but worth a shot.

A Former User

@thrrgilag what log files should I check exactly? What log level should I select inside Pantalaimon?

I have another issue of chats with peoples devices that are verified but still I get a grey icon and I can restart the verification over and over again. Seems like a big mess going on. I dont know if thats because of Pantalaimon or sth is messed up on my homeserver side.

Greetings

thrrgilag

@jimmypesto there are two log files, one is labeled as pantalaimon-ut which is just the configuration UI, and the other one is called pantalaimon which is the deamon that does all the work so that's the one to look at. You can use the Logviewer app from the openstore to access them easily.

Unfortunatly I haven't done any testing on it since my main ubuntu touch device stopped booting. I'll have to get that sorted or another device up and running before I can work on it further.