Design of the control center
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@nero355 said in Design of the control center:
For me this OS should be a mobile PC basically that can be used as a Phone too
Sadly you're mistaken.
Ubuntu Touch is intended to be a modern mobile phone operating system.
So it has specific constraints and design choices.For a mobile PC you have to look for devices based on Intel-like chipset.
Or to other distros like Mobian.I don't want to drive you away but Ubuntu Touch is intended for regular users with basic needs regarding the smart aspect of their smartphone.
Here it might be my own interpretation but a PC with all the desktop ecosystem is not the objective. It's nice to have but not the main focus. -
@nero355 said in Design of the control center:
For me this OS should be a mobile PC basically that can be used as a Phone too and in that regard I am missing a lot of stuff my Laptop or PC can do and my phone can't
.In fact UT is, and is intended to be, just the opposite: a phone with some computing ability.
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@cliffcoggin said in Design of the control center:
a phone with some computing ability
Don't we call this.... A smartphone ?
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@nero355 As @applee says ,UBports Ubuntu Touch is designed to be the best mobile OS it can be and when (where possible) connected to external monitor continues to run just as well there. It is not and is not supposed to be a pc in your pocket with a phone attached. Other projects are doing that and we wish them well. We will continue to do what we do best and develop Ubuntu Touch OS.
We welcome all users and participation in the project and community and you are more than welcome to participate in anyway you can but the pc in your pocket is not where we are going. -
@lakotaubp
I am a bit sad to read that because the thing that made me like Ubuntu Touch was in fact Convergence because it's my idea of how phones should have been at that point instead of a silly toy with even sillier apps on it that were forced on us by Apple and also Google later on!
It's also the reason why I am running ZERO Android apps on my Ubuntu Touch Phone : I want to move away from that OS as far as I can!
Maybe I am way ahead of my time ?!
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@nero355
Convergence is a bit different for me.If you want the same experience from a laptop and from a phone, you cannot.
Simply because a phone is much smaller and the interfaces are totally different (keyboard vs VKB, mouse VS touchscreen, 27" display vs 6" screen, ...)Some laptop have a SIM port and I guess if you tinker a bit you might be able to make a phone call.
But it will be an horrible experience for a phone.Convergence is another thing for me.
You have various devices around you, tablets, computers, smartphones, etc. and they are not compatible they have similar features but run different OSes and the experience to continue a task through those devices is not ideal.
Convergence for me is about bringing a piece of software dedicated to a task I need to do on all my devices.
I want to have access to telegram using the exact same client wether I'm on a laptop, my phone or even a smartwatch. The UI need to adapt so I can interact with only one software that I trust.Also for many people around the world a laptop is not something they really need. Because some people just need the features offered by a smartphone but with a larger screen and a large physical keyboard and a mouse to interact with it.
An external discplay is something nice to have but the resources available on a phone are not enough for a modern usage of a computer.Convergence is for me bringing a seamless experience through the variety of form factor computers can take.
I imagine one day a belt buckle with modem and GPS. This unit offers connectivity to other accessories and the computing power can be hosted in a cloud with the softwares.
And depending on your usage, you can bring a small 6" screen with you everywhere. But in your office, you'll have 2 big 30" screen a nice ergonomic keyboard and mouse, in your car the HUD will display relevant information while filtering distractions and in your living room a 12" touchscreen will allow you to surf while watching TV or even stream directly to your TV...
This is my vision for the future and what I would do if I were Elon Musk -
@applee
Your rolemodel might not be the kind/ideal/perfect guy you think he is so watch out with that!But you are horribly wrong about Convergence :
If Canonical did not fail so hard it would have been even better than what for example Samsung DeX is at the moment!
You say phones don't have enough power for daily PC usage but you are horribly wrong : Any ARM SoC that is the equal of the Qualcomm Snapdragon 820 or newer has a lot of processing power that is simply WASTED by putting all that power into a phone!
That's why they overheat a lot for some time now : Those things need to be in a small PC box of the size of a Intel NUC for example!
Why wouldn't you want to have the following experience :
- Use GPS to get your work.
- At work you dock the phone and use it with mouse+keyboard+monitor(s) to do your work.
- Leaving towards a customer on the plane you dock the phone into a Laptop shell to do some work.
- Use the phone as such to send the customer a short message that you have arrived and will be on your way to their location soon.
- Dock the phone into the Console of a rental car to use GPS to get towards that customer.
- And so on...
For me this picture was simply HEAVEN : https://i2.wp.com/9to5linux.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/pro1x.jpg?zoom=2&resize=1400%2C800&ssl=1
Not having that after 11 years of Apple & Google apps horror is simply a waste of our lifetime!
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@nero355
I pre-ordered the Pro 1 X so I totally agree.
But the power is still not enough for my daily usage of a computer :- Libre Office
- Gimp / DarkTable / Inkscap / Blender
- Spotify (yeah proprietary but works well enough)
- Firefox with more than 20 tabs
- Thunderbird
I frequently need 8 to 10 GB of RAM and CPU/GPU powerfull enough to run those apps without waiting 10 minutes for them to launch.
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@applee
Then there is something horribly wrong with either the phone or the software...I can imagine a shortage or RAM in some scenarios but not enough CPU power should not be the case : The SD835 has more than enough of it!
I know people who use less powerfull ARM SoC's on a daily basis without any issue at all!
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@nero355
A computer is not just CPU, RAM and ROM
The buses used have a limited bandwidth and CPU clock is not an issue since a long time ago.A 2GHz CPU doesn't mean the hardware is able to run a fully featured software.
disk IO is a common limiter as well as virtual buses being less efficient than multiple dedicated buses...A phone is not a regular computer. Of course the limitation depend on the usage.
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@applee
I believe your phone has UFS Storage ?!Ofcourse it's not SATA SSD or NVMe SSD but it should do the job just fine!
About the buses and bandwidth I am not sure at the moment...
It has been a while that I have seen the schemes and details of those SoC's
