Ubuntu Touch Q&A 114 Saturday 18th Dec At 19:00 UTC

[MrT10001]

@nero355 said in Ubuntu Touch Q&A 114 Saturday 18th Dec At 19:00 UTC:

But I am confused by the Xiaomi and Sony stuff :

Sony has their Open Devices program which is basically what Jolla Sailfish bases their Sony devices support on ?!
Xiaomi phones can sometimes also be unlocked without their Mi Account stuff ?!

I still have not been able to unlock an Xiaomi phones bootloader without creating an account and using their unlock tool. Searched high and low for a solution.
SONY is a pain as I have gone through the open devices and cannot get an unlock code for the bootloader for any of my SONY phones as when I check the flag for the ability to unlock, it always states no.

I wouldn't call the masses dumb as if you can capture a mere fraction of these peoples interest, the money and possible innovation they have the potential to provide could move a project like Ubuntu Touch forward and they are out there from my experience. Most though are users and just want it to work without having to think about it, that is why apps are so popular and that popularity is a self perpetuating cycle until something better comes along that is just as easy and thoughtless to use.

[nero355]

@mrt10001 said in Ubuntu Touch Q&A 114 Saturday 18th Dec At 19:00 UTC:

I still have not been able to unlock an Xiaomi phones bootloader without creating an account and using their unlock tool. Searched high and low for a solution.

It depends on the model ofcourse, but I have seen people unlock some models via ADB and moving forward with the flashing process

SONY is a pain as I have gone through the open devices and cannot get an unlock code for the bootloader for any of my SONY phones as when I check the flag for the ability to unlock, it always states no.

Hmm... that's weird...

Which Xiaomi and Sony models had all these issues ?!

I wouldn't call the masses dumb as if you can capture a mere fraction of these peoples interest.

That's the issue : The mass has no interest in their devices!

They don't care about how anything works!

the money and possible innovation they have the potential to provide could move a project like Ubuntu Touch forward and they are out there from my experience.

I think otherwise... sorry!

Most though are users and just want it to work without having to think about it

That's the whole issue!

I see it almost daily on most forums...

that is why apps are so popular and that popularity is a self perpetuating cycle until something better comes along that is just as easy and thoughtless to use.

Apps are so popular because they are forced upon us and let's face it : Dumbing down is EVERYWHERE and a part of that process are dumbass apps!

People have forgotten which way the world was heading and how they were mislead to go the wrong way by just one overhyped fruit company and later on their search engine friends!

[mateo_salta]

App Roundup:

GCompris was updated to version 2.0 ported by Lionel, a educational suite of games.

Logviewer was forked by Rudi Timmermans, they have been merging some new features, and now easier to share logs.

Puzzle Master ported by me - a jigsaw puzzle with multitouch, this game from Venemo was wrtten with many mulitplatform features, one featue im hoping to get help on is selecting a custom image.

[UniSuperBox]

@nero355: I'm not sure which community you've been in, but talking like this is not acceptable here.

People who aren't interested in computers like you are, are not dumb. Everyone has different tastes, priorities, and education, but none of these things necessarily make someone "less smart" than someone else. Consider whether there is anything that you do (driving, taking care of your health, tidying up, organization) that you do worse than other people. Are you less intelligent for having different priorities and skills?

Ubuntu Touch is built for people who are not as knowledgeable about the operating system as its team. There are many Linux distributions for which this is not the case, and those are good for different purposes. If you are trying to apply your own experience as someone knowledgeable about the principles of computing to an operating system that isn't really designed for you, it's not our fault that the design has mismatched. It's yours.

If this misunderstanding is going to continue, I'd recommend that you find another project that suits your priorities better. But I don't think you'll find any community that takes great pleasure in calling people dumb.

[cliffcoggin]

@unisuperbox Well said Dalton.

[MrT10001]

Thank you for answering my question. It has set me thinking.....

[Talkless]

My question:

Why Bitcoin donation method is removed?

While UBPorts delivers freedom in the mobile computing sphere, Bitcoin on another hand provides similar freedoms in financial sphere - a nice cooperation, unless there is regulatory pressure for non-profit to avoid cryptocurrencies..?

[nero355]

@unisuperbox said in Ubuntu Touch Q&A 114 Saturday 18th Dec At 19:00 UTC:

@nero355: I'm not sure which community you've been in, but talking like this is not acceptable here.

People who aren't interested in computers like you are, are not dumb. Everyone has different tastes, priorities, and education, but none of these things necessarily make someone "less smart" than someone else. Consider whether there is anything that you do (driving, taking care of your health, tidying up, organization) that you do worse than other people. Are you less intelligent for having different priorities and skills?

Ubuntu Touch is built for people who are not as knowledgeable about the operating system as its team. There are many Linux distributions for which this is not the case, and those are good for different purposes. If you are trying to apply your own experience as someone knowledgeable about the principles of computing to an operating system that isn't really designed for you, it's not our fault that the design has mismatched. It's yours.

If this misunderstanding is going to continue, I'd recommend that you find another project that suits your priorities better. But I don't think you'll find any community that takes great pleasure in calling people dumb.

You are overreacting...

Do you have any idea how often people buy a bunch of random products and then ask other people how to connect them all together ?!

Do you have any idea how often people show ZERO interest or effort to learn how a device they have bought actually works and what all the available options/settings do ?!

And don't get me started about claims about a OS beeing user friendly because people know how to use it but meanwhile have no idea how to fix any issues that can happen by their own mistake of some update/upgrade/patch to that OS

All these things are simply the current reality and pinpointing those issues should be a normal thing instead of a taboo...

[AppLee]

@nero355 said in Ubuntu Touch Q&A 114 Saturday 18th Dec At 19:00 UTC:

You are overreacting...

Dalton's answer is correct and maybe you should consider that maybe you were out of line.

UBports is a friendly community open to everyone.
There is simply no place for judgment and harsh words, it cannot be tolerate.

You're entitled to your thoughts but freedom of speech is not to confused with you're free to say/write anything. We have rules to avoid trolls and unrelated debates.
Please be respectful, this is a public place.

Be gentle, be positive and stay on topic...
Pointing fingers or calling names never improved anything.

[Moem]

@nero355 said in Ubuntu Touch Q&A 114 Saturday 18th Dec At 19:00 UTC:

All these things are simply the current reality and pinpointing those issues should be a normal thing instead of a taboo...

If that needs to be done, can you do it without referring to people as dumb? That sounds really unwelcoming and that's not how we want to treat people here.

[cliffcoggin]

@nero355 Well I am one of the dumb masses who has no idea how a phone works, and I resent your appalling arrogance. If you want to think of me as an ignorant peasant that's your right, but common courtesy demands that you keep such thoughts to private correspondence. A public forum requires civilised levels of behaviour which you clearly have no idea about.

[AppLee]

@cliffcoggin no need to take it personal though...

I think it is now clear that the forum shall and will remain civilized.
And my fellow moderators an I will see to it.

So I consider the message send and hopefully well received and will lock this thread.

Happy holidays, enjoy the end of the year.
Peace.