MMS success and failure

Fizz

OK sorry I was mixed up previously on if you could send or receive. So for failed incoming MMS, can you get them with wget? Then we could confirm it is NOT a group MMS. If it IS a group MMS, then if you manually create the group with the members, then re-attempt download it may work. Additionally, for failed MMS due to wifi being connected, you need to wait at least 1 minute after failure (and disconnect wifi) before re-trying.

I am happy to try. But i know little about wget other than it retrieves files. I see that i need the address of of the nuntium.log file, what would that address be?

AppLee

@ronbillock said in MMS success and failure:

@applee which log(s)?

Nuntium, Ofono and maybe the messaging app
You can copy them to a pastebin (e.g. https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/) so we can read them.
The fresher the logs the better after receiving an MMS.

I don't know how to analyze them but I know it will be helful to those who understand the inner mechanism of the MMS stack.

Best of luck

ronbillock

@applee well I am willing to do what I can to help but I will be on the road the next couple of days. Maybe I can re-engage when I have fresh 'failures'.

AppLee

@ronbillock
Sure we cannot force you to swap phone/OS again
We're here to help those willing to give UT a try.

rik

@fizz said in MMS success and failure:

I am happy to try. But i know little about wget other than it retrieves files. I see that i need the address of of the nuntium.log file, what would that address be?

nuntium.log can be found using "Log Viewer" app, or to directly find the file go to ~/.cache/upstart/nuntium.log (you can also find compressed older versions in that upstart folder)

Fizz

@rik
Oh, i had provided details from nuntium.log in earlier messages, and i thought you said you wanted it retrieved from a server using wget.

nuntium.log seems to get cleared every day (it's not listed as an available log file in Log Viewer currently). So i'll have to send myself a test or two. One moment...

Fizz

@rik
And here is the output on nuntium after my failed attempt to receive (sending works) an image:

2022/01/21 10:58:00 Encoding M-Send.Req
2022/01/21 10:58:00 Unhandled optional field Subject
2022/01/21 10:58:00 Unhandled optional field DeliveryTime
2022/01/21 10:58:00 Unhandled optional field Priority
2022/01/21 10:58:00 Unhandled optional field SenderVisibility
2022/01/21 10:58:00 Created /home/phablet/.cache/nuntium/store/f2d3e644112faeb31fa7a453f9b7c334.m-send.req to handle m-send.req for f2d3e644112faeb31fa7a453f9b7c334
2022/01/21 10:58:00 Trying to set Active property to true for context on true /ril_0/context2
2022/01/21 10:58:00 Starting upload of /home/phablet/.cache/nuntium/store/f2d3e644112faeb31fa7a453f9b7c334.m-send.req to http://mms.bell.ca/mms/wapenc with proxy 207.164.79.130:80
2022/01/21 10:58:00 Progress:302809 16384
2022/01/21 10:58:00 Progress:302809 98304
2022/01/21 10:58:00 Progress:302809 196608
2022/01/21 10:58:00 Progress:302809 302809
2022/01/21 10:58:01 File /home/phablet/.local/share/ubuntu-upload-manager/Downloads/f2d3e644112faeb31fa7a453f9b7c334.m-send.req.response returned in upload
2022/01/21 10:58:01 Trying to set Active property to false for context on false /ril_0/context2
2022/01/21 10:58:01 m-send.conf ResponseStatus for f2d3e644112faeb31fa7a453f9b7c334 is 128
2022/01/21 10:58:01 Status changed for /org/ofono/mms/302610917674682/f2d3e644112faeb31fa7a453f9b7c334 to Sent
2022/01/21 10:58:02 Received ReceiveNotification() method call from 44600
2022/01/21 10:58:02 Push data
00000000  00 06 29 1f 22 61 70 70  6c 69 63 61 74 69 6f 6e  |..)."application|
00000010  2f 76 6e 64 2e 77 61 70  2e 6d 6d 73 2d 6d 65 73  |/vnd.wap.mms-mes|
00000020  73 61 67 65 00 81 84 af  84 8d 01 00 8c 82 98 66  |sage...........f|
00000030  39 35 63 34 66 35 64 62  64 63 32 38 66 34 39 39  |95c4f5dbdc28f499|
00000040  66 36 31 39 64 34 34 2d  31 00 8d 92 89 1a 80 18  |f619d44-1.......|
00000050  ea 2b 31 35 31 39 38 35  37 32 31 38 33 2f 54 59  |.+15198572183/TY|
00000060  50 45 3d 50 4c 4d 4e 00  96 00 8a 80 88 05 81 03  |PE=PLMN.........|
00000070  09 3a 7f 86 81 83 68 74  74 70 3a 2f 2f 6d 6d 73  |.:....http://mms|
00000080  63 32 2e 67 65 74 2e 62  65 6c 6c 2e 63 61 2f 63  |c2.get.bell.ca/c|
00000090  6c 6f 75 64 6d 6d 73 63  3f 6c 3d 66 39 35 63 34  |loudmmsc?l=f95c4|
000000a0  66 35 64 62 64 63 32 38  66 34 39 39 66 36 31 39  |f5dbdc28f499f619|
000000b0  64 34 34 2d 31 00 8e 03  04 5e 51                 |d44-1....^Q|
2022/01/21 10:58:02 Trying to set Active property to true for context on true /ril_0/context2
2022/01/21 10:58:02 Download issues: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.InvalidArgs: Invalid URL: ''
2022/01/21 10:58:02 Trying to set Active property to false for context on false /ril_0/context2
2022/01/21 10:58:03 Received unknown method call on org.ofono.mms.Message MarkRead
2022/01/21 10:58:03 Message /org/ofono/mms/302610917674682/a501466511fcc6e523913ca837fd7a0e is not responded and not expired, not deleted.

jezek

@fizz said in MMS success and failure:

2022/01/21 10:58:02 Download issues: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.InvalidArgs: Invalid URL: ''

I will do some other fixes in nuntium in very near future. Besides I will try to investigate where your "Invalid URL" error happens and why the URL is empty. If I don't respond in one-two weeks, please ping me.

ronbillock

@applee I just received a failed MMS. I shut off Wifi, waited a couple of minutes, hit Download. Nothing happened. The download button is now greyed out. I looked at the nuntium file (attached) and did wget on the HTTP (attached). I used Seabass2 to view the file created in my home directory. When I open the file (mm?T=m-6-262-2-993f40-78) though it says the file is 1.1mb, again it is blank like before.

Ron Billock, [1/21/22 4:09 PM]
phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ wget http://mp.t-mobile.com/mm?T=m-6-262-2-993f40-78
--2022-01-21 16:04:59--  http://mp.t-mobile.com/mm?T=m-6-262-2-993f40-78
Resolving mp.t-mobile.com (mp.t-mobile.com)... 10.175.198.169, 2607:7700:0:17:0:1:aaf:c689
Connecting to mp.t-mobile.com (mp.t-mobile.com)|10.175.198.169|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 1105307 (1.1M) [application/vnd.wap.mms-message]
Saving to: ‘mm?T=m-6-262-2-993f40-78’

      mm?T=   0%       0  --.-KB/s                   mm?T=m   1%  15.41K  75.7KB/s                  mm?T=m-   3%  40.59K  97.9KB/s                 mm?T=m-6   8%  92.16K   147KB/s                mm?T=m-6-  14% 155.72K   187KB/s               mm?T=m-6-2  19% 215.68K   208KB/s              mm?T=m-6-26  24% 266.04K   214KB/s              m?T=m-6-262  29% 318.42K   165KB/s              ?T=m-6-262-  40% 432.04K   149KB/s              mm?T=m-6-26 100%   1.05M  58.2KB/s    in 13s                                                    
                                                
2022-01-21 16:05:13 (81.6 KB/s) - ‘mm?T=m-6-262-2-993f40-78’ saved [1105307/1105307]

Ron Billock, [1/21/22 4:13 PM]
2022/01/21 15:45:11 Received ReceiveNotification() method call from 2300

2022/01/21 15:45:11 Push data

00000000  eb 06 05 be 8d 80 af 84  8c 82 98 6d 2d 36 2d 65  |...........m-6-e|

00000010  62 2d 32 2d 39 39 33 66  34 30 2d 37 38 2d 32 36  |b-2-993f40-78-26|

00000020  32 2d 32 00 8d 92 89 1a  80 18 83 2b 31 33 33 30  |2-2........+1330|

00000030  34 36 31 30 30 31 31 2f  54 59 50 45 3d 50 4c 4d  |4610011/TYPE=PLM|

00000040  4e 00 8a 80 8e 03 17 1b  a8 88 05 81 03 03 f4 80  |N...............|

00000050  83 68 74 74 70 3a 2f 2f  6d 70 2e 74 2d 6d 6f 62  |.http://mp.t-mob|

00000060  69 6c 65 2e 63 6f 6d 2f  6d 6d 3f 54 3d 6d 2d 36  |ile.com/mm?T=m-6|

00000070  2d 32 36 32 2d 32 2d 39  39 33 66 34 30 2d 37 38
|-262-2-993f40-78|

00000080  00
                                                |.|

2022/01/21 15:45:11 Trying to set Active property to true for context on true /ril_1/context2

2022/01/21 15:45:11 No proxy in ofono settings

2022/01/21 15:45:11 Starting download of http://mp.t-mobile.com/mm?T=m-6-262-2-993f40-78 with proxy :0

2022/01/21 15:45:12 Progress:0 0

2022/01/21 15:45:12 Download issues: NETWORK ERROR

2022/01/21 15:45:12 Trying to set Active property to false for context on false /ril_1/context2

2022/01/21 15:55:33 Received unknown method call on org.ofono.mms.Message MarkRead

2022/01/21 15:55:33 Message /org/ofono/mms/310240180106120/1c041620d68aa40356c26da55aa036f1 is not responded and not expired, not deleting.

2022/01/21 15:55:42 Trying to set
Active property to true for context on true /ril_1/context2

2022/01/21 15:55:42 No proxy in ofono settings

2022/01/21 15:55:42 Starting download of http://mp.t-mobile.com/mm?T=m-6-262-2-993f40-78 with proxy :0

2022/01/21 15:55:43 Progress:1105307 7181

2022/01/21 15:55:43 Progress:1105307 12093

2022/01/21 15:55:43 Progress:1105307 34197

2022/01/21 15:55:44 Progress:1105307 42793

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2022/01/21 15:55:52 File downloaded to /home/phablet/.local/share/ubuntu-download-manager/Downloads/mm

2022/01/21 15:55:52 Using deprecated Start header

2022/01/21 15:55:52 Using deprecated Name header

2022/01/21 15:55:52 Using deprecated Name header

2022/01/21 15:55:52 Using deprecated Name header

2022/01/21 15:55:52 Created /home/phablet/.cache/nuntium/store/c2e5c984c533bcb971194fcf421451cc.m-notifyresp.ind to handle m-notifyresp.ind for c2e5c984c533bcb971194fcf421451cc

2022/01/21 15:55:52 No proxy in ofono settings

2022/01/21 15:55:53 Starting upload of /home/phablet/.cache/nuntium/store/c2e5c984c533bcb971194fcf421451cc.m-notifyresp.ind to http://pwg.mmsmvno.com/mms/wapenc with proxy :0
0

2022/01/21 15:55:53 Progress:8 8

2022/01/21 15:55:53 Progress:0 0

2022/01/21 15:55:53 File /home/phablet/.l

Ron Billock, [1/21/22 4:13 PM]
ocal/share/ubuntu-upload-manager/Downloads/c2e5c984c533bcb971194fcf421451cc.m-notifyresp.ind.response returned in upload

2022/01/21 15:55:53 Trying to set Active property to false for context on false /ril_1/context2

ronbillock

@ronbillock In addition, I did find out that this failed message was sent as part of a group message.

rik

@jezek said in MMS success and failure:

I will do some other fixes in nuntium in very near future. Besides I will try to investigate where your "Invalid URL" error happens and why the URL is empty. If I don't respond in one-two weeks, please ping me.

Thanks for your continued work with MMS!

ronbillock

Testing: I (and my wife) continue to not get some MMS messages. We both now have OP6, both using UT, have the same carrier, and APN settings, the same as earlier detailed. 1) with my WIFI on I can not send an MMS message. It fails to send. 2) with my Wifi off I can send my wife an MMS and she can receive it. If Wifi is off the MMS comes through just fine. If her Wifi is on she gets Oops and the process described of switching Wifi off and Download retrieves the MMS successfully. 3) I created an MMS for my wife and to a secondary Google Voice # I have for myself (group message). Both of these numbers are in our contacts. With Wifi off for both of us, the MMS was sent AND received. I did not need to have a 'group' set up on either phone.
4) My wife has received Oops messages for MMS sent to her as a group message from her sister and 2 daughters. All numbers were in her contacts. These messages are not retrieving with the Downloads action. I will next set up a group with them to see if that makes a difference BUT why does my previous group MMS come through and this one does not? What are the variables? Is it because some of them use IOS or Android vs UT? Is it Carrier specific if it works well or not?
I just thought I would pass along this 'testing' to add to the confusion. I have not yet viewed any logs or wget the failed MMS. I may get there soon but previously when I did and opened the file with Seabass the file showed empty. I hope this has been helpful but my wife is very frustrated that she is not getting her pics of a new puppy, lol.

rik

@ronbillock said in MMS success and failure:

Testing: I (and my wife) continue to not get some MMS messages. We both now have OP6, both using UT, have the same carrier, and APN settings, the same as earlier detailed.

with my WIFI on I can not send an MMS message. It fails to send.

Yes, this is known, thanks for confirming

with my Wifi off I can send my wife an MMS and she can receive it. If Wifi is off the MMS comes through just fine. If her Wifi is on she gets Oops and the process described of switching Wifi off and Download retrieves the MMS successfully.

Again this seems to match, thanks for confirming.

I created an MMS for my wife and to a secondary Google Voice # I have for myself (group message). Both of these numbers are in our contacts. With Wifi off for both of us, the MMS was sent AND received. I did not need to have a 'group' set up on either phone.

Please confirm: did you just use "+" to add 2 recipients? If so then you just sent 2 simple SMS. To send a group MMS you need to click the "people icon" to the far right in the "to" field, then set up the group, then you can send to it. So the fact that you didn't set up the group on your sending phone makes me suspect you did not actually send a group MMS?

My wife has received Oops messages for MMS sent to her as a group message from her sister and 2 daughters. All numbers were in her contacts. These messages are not retrieving with the Downloads action. I will next set up a group with them to see if that makes a difference BUT why does my previous group MMS come through and this one does not? What are the variables? Is it because some of them use IOS or Android vs UT? Is it Carrier specific if it works well or not?

Again please confirm above regarding the testing of a group MMS between the 2 UT phones and the Google Voice number. FYI I am also using Google Voice as my "3rd phone" for tests If you can make a MMG group with your 2 daughters and sister for your wife's phone (maybe make that group, then send a message to the group that hopefully pictures now work so could one of them please re-send a photo) then we will see if you have any success with the group MMS receive (and send) for them. I hope you can report success

ronbillock

@rik said in MMS success and failure:

Please confirm: did you just use "+" to add 2 recipients? If so then you just sent 2 simple SMS. To send a group MMS you need to click the "people icon" to the far right in the "to" field, then set up the group, then you can send to it. So the fact that you didn't set up the group on your sending phone makes me suspect you did not actually send a group MMS?

I didn't realize there was a difference between the To: line and the Peoples icon . After more testing, you are correct. If I add two contacts in the to-line it does work but if I use the 'peoples' icon and then add them there it does not go anywhere - no failed message-no Oops message- no nothing? I expected something....

I did create a group using the 'peoples' icon and sent a picture to them asking for a response with another picture attached if received. I will report back any response received.

I also find it odd that my 'group' is not really saved somewhere for later use like a distribution list can be in other systems. Seems like once the group message thread is gone/deleted then the group is gone and needs to be recreated for any future use.

rik

@ronbillock said in MMS success and failure:

I didn't realize there was a difference between the To: line and the Peoples icon . After more testing, you are correct. If I add two contacts in the to-line it does work but if I use the 'peoples' icon and then add them there it does not go anywhere - no failed message-no Oops message- no nothing? I expected something....

The group was created on your phone, but no message sent (yet) I think?

I did create a group using the 'peoples' icon and sent a picture to them asking for a response with another picture attached if received. I will report back any response received.

Very good. To get the most testing done / get the most familiar with it you may want to again make the "group" to be just you, your wife's UT phone, and your Google Voice number. Then you can test sending from GV to UT, UT to GV, wifi on, wifi off, etc. This would also allow you to NOT create the group on your wife's UT phone to confirm it still gives an error. Then create the group on her phone and attempt to use the "download" button. What will happen is you will have a spinning circle on the individual thread, but the message should come to the group thread. After you get it in the group thread, you will need to go back to the individual thread (still spinning) and delete that "oops + download link" message. The reason is because the resulting MMS isn't brought to the individual thread so the individual thread is confused the download completed. This is another rough edge (but only shows in cases where an incoming group message first fails)

I also find it odd that my 'group' is not really saved somewhere for later use like a distribution list can be in other systems. Seems like once the group message thread is gone/deleted then the group is gone and needs to be recreated for any future use.

Yes, there are gaps here, like "naming" the group, etc. But as you note if you remove the group message thread then the group seems to disappear.

ronbillock

@rik I had created a group on my wife's phone that included my wife, her sister, and our 2 daughters. I sent a picture to them with a text message saying it was a test and asked them to reply to the message with a picture of their own. My wife's sister just replied to the group message with 3 pics and some text. It came through just fine. It seems that as long as it is in response to that same group or that group thread then it is OK.
A problem I believe this creates is that the only access to this group they have, in order for my wife to get the message, is by responding to that specific thread. I am curious, if one of them were to delete the thread and then send a message to the same members (a new thread) will my wife then receive it or will we be back to where we started? I am waiting to hear from the other recipients. Also if any one of them were to add an additional person I am not sure what will happen since they will not be in the group I established? I guess one step at a time.

Keneda

@ronbillock
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rik

@ronbillock said in MMS success and failure:

@rik I had created a group on my wife's phone that included my wife, her sister, and our 2 daughters. I sent a picture to them with a text message saying it was a test and asked them to reply to the message with a picture of their own. My wife's sister just replied to the group message with 3 pics and some text. It came through just fine. It seems that as long as it is in response to that same group or that group thread then it is OK.

A problem I believe this creates is that the only access to this group they have, in order for my wife to get the message, is by responding to that specific thread. I am curious, if one of them were to delete the thread and then send a message to the same members (a new thread) will my wife then receive it or will we be back to where we started?

I am waiting to hear from the other recipients. Also if any one of them were to add an additional person I am not sure what will happen since they will not be in the group I established? I guess one step at a time.

I think MMS is not smart enough to know if someone deleted the thread or not. As I understand as long as the group members are the same then it should deliver correctly if you have the group thread on the receiving UT phone. Think of it like this: MMS doesn't really know what a "group" is, the message itself just itemizes all phone numbers at the beginning of it (sorry you weren't able to see the raw text, that should work with wget but regardless it seems you are getting there now). So it isn't like "Telegram" or "Whatsapp" or "Signal" that has a concept of true "groups" that people can join and leave. Instead it is just a container for a set number of phone numbers: any change to those itemized numbers means a "different group". IF things were working correctly, then each time there was a different set of phone numbers a different group message thread would be created. But as you are seeing the BUG is that no group message thread is automatically created. This means you will unfortunately need to try again with wget on failed MMS downloads to see what phone numbers are there, manually make the MMS group (message thread), then download again to populate that message thread. A BIG headache for you, but if you do it right you will at least be able to get all MMS messages. And in time you won't be getting infinite variations on who the group members are and things should settle down (just adding messages to existing group threads). And then in time hopefully UT messages app gets smarter with regard to being able to auto-create the MMS group thread. I don't know if @jezek has this planned or not at this time.

So, if you want to try again with wget (finding the http address of the failed download from Log Viewer in nuntium.log we can see if we can help you dig through how to identify the various phone numbers in it to manually create the group thread). In fact, try this process of wget on a MMS group message you successfully downloaded, then it may be more apparent how to read it. They shouldn't be blank, if so something else is causing confusion.

Finally, just noting that MMS Group Messages are far from supported / polished in UT. Any chance you can convince your contacts to join Telegram (best support on UT)? Then you can get the messages on your desktop as well, etc. and it is more secure than MMS. No I haven't convinced my family members to do it yet, either

StandUpMobile

@rik @Fizz @jezek
Sorry guys ... don't check in here often. Yes, I am also experiencing the "Invalid URL" ...
I believe this is a nuntium bug and raised an issue here
The issue was also experienced by @notkit and there was a hint on where to look for the issue here
Since it is not happening to everyone, my current guess is that the parsing of the URL for those with a PROXY is breaking something: @fizz and I have proxy, don't think you or others do @rik? Either that or the port? (although since its :80 ... I have tried without it and had same results).

Fizz

@rik said in MMS success and failure:

So, if you want to try again with wget (finding the http address of the failed download from Log Viewer in nuntium.log we can see if we can help you dig through how to identify the various phone numbers in it to manually create the group thread). In fact, try this process of wget on a MMS group message you successfully downloaded, then it may be more apparent how to read it. They shouldn't be blank, if so something else is causing confusion.

I'm happy to try this, but i don't understand what url i should use. In the numtium log i posted above, the only url i see if http://mms.bell.ca/mms/wapenc . When i try a wget on that i get a 405 error, method not allowed. So i presume i am missing something. What do i need to do?

-Fizz