Talk to the Non-Geek People

Mario.CH

Hi,
there are areas in life where a simple instruction manual and/or tutorial is not enough, even if it is written so well. For example, learning to play a musical instrument or simply driving a car (exceptions prove the rule).
That's why there are, even with U-Touch, pre-installed phones to buy, if I'm not mistaken.

Of course, not only the operating system should get updates, but also manuals. But the best manuals come from the collaboration of <nerds> and averagely talented people.

U-Touch is an operating system, which depends on donations, or who can't donate, is invited to work on this project (work = do something * invested time).
Also on the things that are needed around the operating system.

Greetings Mario

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Pulsar33

@geekbone : well, everyone has their own opinion and yours is respectable too but you see, sometimes you have to invest a little time to get satisfaction.

Are you stuck on Libertine? There is a category dedicated to Libertine on this forum

And there is a topic that explains how to implement Libertine in case the official documentation is insufficient. That's the point of the forum.

Have a good reading
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cliffcoggin

I understand and symapathise with both sides of the argument: technical folk are unable to explain things in non-technical terms, while non-technical folk are unable to understand the language of technical folk. It is almost a matter of two different languages in need of translators. As a decided non-geek I could not find a sensible explanation of what Libertines, containers, Anbox, API etc actually are so I gave up looking. As long as my phone can make calls, read the internet, remind me of appointments, show a map, and store a shopping list I simply ignore every other aspect of its capabilities.

Lakotaubp

@cliffcoggin If you think of your phone as a big box and in that big box are two boxes that are the OS and Hardware(boards, speaker, chips all the phone stuff). In the OS box there are two smaller boxes lets call them sofware and UT apps.
Now Libertine, Waydroid and Anbox( forget this really) are all ways allowing you to run non UT apps from the UT sofware box without them messing up the main OS. This is the "container" part. So in effect you put a sealed box or "container" called Libertine, WayDroid and so on into the OS box. As they are sealed nothing can run, spill into the main OS box. You can put more stuff into those sealed boxes or chuck them out when your done without there bing a problem to the main OS.
Does that help or have I just made it worse Thats how I try to think anyway as a non tech. I bet it's not 100% correct but it works for me.

arubislander

@lakotaubp I have seldomly read a better explanation!

nero355

Sometimes when you want to know something about something you have no knowledge about the only right thing to do is read more about and educate yourself!

So check out : https://duckduckgo.com/?q=what+is+a+container+linux
And have some fun reading about all kinds of new stuff!

cliffcoggin

@lakotaubp Thank you, that very concise explanation tells me all I want to know at the moment, enough at least to decide that I can continue to ignore such matters.

cliffcoggin

@nero355 I have seen those descriptions before and I rapidly get lost the moment terms like runtimes, libraries, userspace, and proprietary brand names are intoduced. I daresay if I was really interested in such things I could learn more, but the truth is that unless I can see them giving an advantage or improvement in the way the phone works I would rather spend my limited time on more useful subjects.

Moem

@cliffcoggin said in Talk to the Non-Geek People:

@lakotaubp Thank you, that very concise explanation tells me all I want to know at the moment, enough at least to decide that I can continue to ignore such matters.

You most certainly can. I don't use Libertine either; there are no desktop Linux applications that I wish I could run on my UT phone. The apps that are on offer are enough for me.

Lakotaubp

@cliffcoggin Moem is right. It's your phone your OS to do as you will and want with. That's Ubuntu Touch, you make it what you need not the other way round.

GeekBone

@pulsar33 Thanks for the reply... and no, I figured out Libertine just fine, but my post was made in the Marketing Incubator section and is a suggestion for promoting the OS. I have always loved digging in and learning about things so this OS is right up my alley.

I have loaded Ubuntu Touch onto several N5s and have given them to family members and friends. I have no where to direct them to get more information on Touch than here. If they knos nothing about linux, Ubuntu or Touch then coming here should be helpful. I am just saying, if you looked at this sight as someone who knows nothing about any of this, they would probably move on and not bother as it is overwhelming.

All I am suggesting is to provide these new people with a place on the site to go for help/getting started, etc. Keep all the geeky stuff and forums and dev talk. Not suggesting anything changes or goes away. IMO, if you want to promote Touch, you have to have a "safe" place for newbies to come and learn without being intimidated.

Moem

@geekbone said in Talk to the Non-Geek People:

All I am suggesting is to provide these new people with a place on the site to go for help/getting started, etc.

You're not wrong, and in fact people are talking about it and working on it right this very moment!

Lakotaubp

@moem We have people, good people working on it right now Dr Jones

Pulsar33

@geekbone said in Talk to the Non-Geek People:

@pulsar33 Thanks for the reply... and no, I figured out Libertine just fine, but my post was made in the Marketing Incubator section and is a suggestion for promoting the OS

Oh sorry, I better see your point of view now. For me, I can contribute easily on a (this) forum but I've more difficulties to include my work in recent "team tools" that I don't know. This is why I wrote some text as the links I mentionned above (or some others). If someone find them usefull and wants to include them in the official documentation, I would feel happy.

BR
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thousandtopics

@geekbone
You wan't a non-geek people?

People don't read. They just check if something works or they dump it.

Even if you complain too much, do you think I could read a lot of what you wrote?

Do a video, and I will consider watching it!

That's how non-geek people are.

nero355

@geekbone said in Talk to the Non-Geek People:

I have loaded Ubuntu Touch onto several N5s and have given them to family members and friends. I have no where to direct them to get more information on Touch than here. If they knos nothing about linux, Ubuntu or Touch then coming here should be helpful. I am just saying, if you looked at this sight as someone who knows nothing about any of this, they would probably move on and not bother as it is overwhelming.

People do the same when you start to talk about something as simple as certain details in a random game so it's something that needs fixing "on the people side" but probably will never be fixed!

@cliffcoggin said in Talk to the Non-Geek People:

I have seen those descriptions before and I rapidly get lost the moment terms like runtimes, libraries, userspace, and proprietary brand names are intoduced. I daresay if I was really interested in such things I could learn more, but the truth is that unless I can see them giving an advantage or improvement in the way the phone works I would rather spend my limited time on more useful subjects.

So learning more about a device you use daily is not worth your time ?!

Well... sadly... that's how a lot of people think and that's another thing that will probably never change...

@thousandtopics said in Talk to the Non-Geek People:

You wan't a non-geek people?

People don't read. They just check if something works or they dump it.

Sadly 100% TRUE!

Do a video, and I will consider watching it!

That's how non-geek people are.

Yup!

THE REASON that I have started to hate YouTube for example over the last couple of years!

Everyone has become braindead and written Reviews and HowTo articles seem to have disappeared!

cliffcoggin

@nero355 said in Talk to the Non-Geek People:

So learning more about a device you use daily is not worth your time ?

Apart from the essential knowledge to make the phone do what I want, no it is not. The phone, like my computer, is a tool with a job to do, and time spent learning about it rather than using it is time wasted.

I make an analogy with driving. Most people in the western world own and drive a car, but few have any knowledge of the workings of the internal combusion engine, nor do they need to if the car maker has done a thorough job of its design and the writing of its manual.

I refer you to the first principle of ergonomics. "Fit the machine to the man, not the man to the machine."

nero355

@cliffcoggin said in Talk to the Non-Geek People:

Apart from the essential knowledge to make the phone do what I want, no it is not. The phone, like my computer, is a tool with a job to do, and time spent learning about it rather than using it is time wasted.

I make an analogy with driving. Most people in the western world own and drive a car, but few have any knowledge of the workings of the internal combusion engine, nor do they need to if the car maker has done a thorough job of its design and the writing of its manual.

And that too is what's wrong with the world today!

I refer you to the first principle of ergonomics. "Fit the machine to the man, not the man to the machine."

I am a big fan of ergonomics but in this case it has nothing to do with the fact that people are unwilling to learn more about the products they daily use!

GeekBone

@nero355 Again, I will just say that I posted this in the Marketing Incubator forum and it is a suggestion to try and get more people using Touch.

I am not suggesting changing anything, just to add some easy to understand/follow instructions for how to use Touch.

Lakotaubp

@nero355 Feel free in your case to fully read up and understand how things work in a complete and total way. Many people don't need or want to. For instance a quick start guide to a product is the most many people need. They pick up more info as they go. That does not mean that they are wrong or lack something by not needing to know all the inside out details. In fact reading that stuff may well put them off. If you enjoy that, great. Many don't.