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Idea for WhatApp on ubports

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      te-online
      last edited by 1 Dec 2017, 09:42

      Yes, despite all difficulties, I find this topic very interesting. It's also not that people use WhatsApp because they like it so much over competitors, but that it was the first to offer free, but SMS-like services in a few markets, then acquired by Facebook.

      Since the app is effectively free, and chats are now supposed to be end-to-end encrypted, the question remains how Facebook wants to monetize WhatsApp. Maybe metadata is enough for them or they are just interested in holding a good market share in this area...

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        mike @UKPhil
        last edited by 1 Dec 2017, 16:57

        @UKPhil @te-online
        mmmmm i fully agree with a realistic way of productivity. if the mobile-device would be 100% pure linux to the core, it is a noble ambition. but there are not enough codewriter to fix this. i can be wrong and i hope that pure librem had a great success. but its mostly the usabilty of a device-os, thats let grow a big comunity.
        on one hand we have only a few codewriter ( me as example bloody newcomer) on the other hand we have a lot of work to do that the ubports-os stay alive with new hardware, browser-compatibiliy, new harder specifications of firewalls, ssl-protocols, android/libhybris.....
        whatsapp is a big thing. stupid question: why is it not possible to send wahtsapps to telegram and backwards?

        All statements without guarantee ---> linux greenhorn-newbie...

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          UKPhil
          last edited by 1 Dec 2017, 23:20

          I think that there are a lot of valid points here and I agree with what everyone has said. I think the idea about the monopoly could be right and may be worth wile to try and get the api's from facebook.

          The idea of being able to use Telegram to both contact WhatsApp users and Telegram users would be the ideal situation and would resolve this in one go. However this would take the Telegram down the road of the multi chat app, something I am not sure it is best to do

          From my understanding of the issues it is all due to the fast that facebook will not publish their whatsapp api's thus controlling the apps that use their service. If they did we could make something up. I might be wrong there so if I am please feel free to correct me.

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            bq4.5
            last edited by 2 Dec 2017, 10:31

            The only reason why i need to have an extra android phone is whatsapp, mostly because of work, they use whatsapp groups and i am always forced to carry 2 phones.

            If somehow ubports can get whatsapp and a high end phone like oneplus 5 then i would burn andriods phones.

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              guru @bq4.5
              last edited by 2 Dec 2017, 11:55

              @bq4.5 Re/ about have to use What's Ape: I have two sons, 11 and 7 years old, which play for some years in a local sports association handball. This year the association communicated that they would create What's Ape groups for the communication of sports events, where to play next, against which other team, etc. I mailed to them: I have e-mail, SMS, Telegram, phone and if they would insist in What's Ape I would cancel the participation of my boys in this association because I do not have and do not want to have What's Ape.

              The communication stays by email.

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                te-online
                last edited by 2 Dec 2017, 17:56

                @UKPhil said in Idea for WhatApp on ubports:

                From my understanding of the issues it is all due to the fast that facebook will not publish their whatsapp api's thus controlling the apps that use their service. If they did we could make something up. I might be wrong there so if I am please feel free to correct me.

                Yes, you are absolutely right. This is not about the missing ability to create such an app, but about restrictions on Facebook's side that make it impossible to create a client app without reverse engineering an official client. At least this is my current state of knowledge. Hence my suggestion of the cumbersome, yet working, usage of the webapp together with a β€œserver device”.

                @guru said in Idea for WhatApp on ubports:

                The communication stays by email.

                And I'm guessing this didn't make you the most popular Dad in the group of parents πŸ˜‰ You're absolutely right to do this and it is very idealistic and admirable – don't get me wrong! There is just the fact that WhatsApp is very convinient for many people, because they use it all the time and so they try to fit it to every use case they can find – and Facebook also tries to make the app adapt to these new use cases. Whereas you and me, not even β€œusers” (β€œ...and what is this Telegram, by the way?”), explaining the drawbacks and privacy implications of WhatsApp sound highly outlandish to the ears of many WhatsApp users.

                – Thomas

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                  revoltevidente
                  last edited by 3 Dec 2017, 01:17

                  Hi! I'm also interested in making a whatsapp app for this OS. I tried Telegram instead but none of my friends have it on their phone.. However I try to convince them to change their habits πŸ˜‰
                  I just start with ubports and have installed Ubuntu onto Nexus 5 (hammerhead). There are minor bugs but it works pretty well πŸ˜‰
                  Thanks to the dev!

                  Ubuntu is the way / Nexus 5

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                    bq4.5 @guru
                    last edited by 4 Dec 2017, 09:41

                    @guru , there is a big difference between school/sport and your work. I can't tell all of them use telegram or else. Maybe in few years πŸ˜›

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                      guru @bq4.5
                      last edited by 4 Dec 2017, 10:30

                      @bq4.5 I can not imagine that your work contract requires you MUST have a mobile device with WhatsApp, and if so, I'd not sign such contract.

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                        UKPhil @revoltevidente
                        last edited by 4 Dec 2017, 20:53

                        @revoltevidente you have made a very valid point here about the contacts you have. This is what I see will always be the issue if we as an is do not have a what'sapp app for our is.

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                          oli.sax
                          last edited by oli.sax 12 May 2017, 13:24 5 Dec 2017, 13:23

                          If building a third-party app is not possible because Whatsapp policies don't allow it, why don't we emulate the official app on UbuntuTouch ? With AnBox for example, that we'll hopefully run once UT is upgraded to Xenial...

                          -- Olivier

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                            flohack @oli.sax
                            last edited by 5 Dec 2017, 14:24

                            @oli.sax Anbox is not even Alpha stage, its a design study / proof of concept. The author seems not to actively work on it, sorry to say...

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                              WLBI @flohack
                              last edited by 5 Dec 2017, 22:41

                              @Flohack
                              Yes, since month no changes in the code. https://github.com/anbox/anbox
                              Looks like it's a dead project.

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                                oli.sax @flohack
                                last edited by 6 Dec 2017, 11:23

                                @Flohack Sad to hear that, but you are right there are no more recent development... Same for SFdroid https://github.com/sfdroid : it looks like the development abruptly halted in May...

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                                  UKPhil
                                  last edited by 6 Dec 2017, 20:22

                                  Funny enough today i was talking talking to a developer I know who also uses Ubuntu at home and I asked him why he does not have an Ubuntu Touch phone. His reply was simple there are some apps he uses that are not available on it. The main one being WhatsApp. This is a shame as we need people like him to help move the is along.

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                                    guru @UKPhil
                                    last edited by 6 Dec 2017, 20:41

                                    UKPhil, The question if or if not someone can organize his/her life w/o What's Ape, is somehow leading away from the real problem: There is no specification available about the protocol to talk to this service and due to the lack of this, there is no OpenSource client. And what the available closed app for What's Ape is doing "for" you (or better, against you) is not known. That's why I will not use it and will not use any device where this could not be removed from.

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                                      UKPhil @guru
                                      last edited by 6 Dec 2017, 21:36

                                      @guru as already said, I do not care if we have it or not as I do not use it myself.I just wish more people would consider trying Telegram.

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                                        wilfridd @oli.sax
                                        last edited by wilfridd 12 Jul 2017, 06:43 7 Dec 2017, 06:38

                                        @oli.sax , Flohack & WLBI

                                        At the EoD , Anbox wouldn't be a sustainable solution to run WA. Some month ago, I managed to make WA successfully work on Anbox/Xenial...but after a couple of weeks, it stopped suddenly... I upgraded the WA apk, reinstalled...nothing... After lots of retries I got an error message saying approx. "You have a custom Andoid rom installed, WA doesn't support...blabla..." .... End of the story.

                                        I totally agreed with all opinions and all that has been said on WA...
                                        Nowadays I some times use LoquiIM, which finally (voodoo magic?) stop displaying the sadly famous "decrypt errorβ€œ message after about 2.5 month...

                                        W.

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                                          gnu-mobile
                                          last edited by gnu-mobile 23 Dec 2017, 12:28

                                          This UBports forum messenger topic is definitely of your interest.

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                                            Shea83
                                            last edited by 13 Apr 2018, 18:39

                                            Hi, in the meantime has someone tried if now Antbox can perform well WA?
                                            ..O if other ways exist?

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