Librem 5 Phone, progress reports

arubislander

I am struggling to even see the relevance of this comparison. How often do users boot their iPhones? How often do Purism expect it will be necessary to boot the Librem 5?

hummlbach

And further more: You can boot Linux in 300ms. If you give it 1 second you also get a simple GUI... so you have to look very closely here what you get for these 13 seconds... for example which services are running and which not... maybe android also preloads some apps during boot to speed up app launch? I don't know any details neither for the librem5 (maybe they have already started all the services like for calender/contacts, location... but I doubt it) nor for android (maybe @dobey can shed some light), just wanted to say that these figures can be misleading easily.

A Former User

@arubislander Well since you ask, I boot up every morning... but 12 seconds or a minute doesn't really make much difference in reality.

dobey

@hummlbach Not sure what you expect I could shed some light on here.

trainailleur

@kugiigi said in Librem 5 Phone, progress reports:

To be fair the specs of Librem 5 is not that great right? but that's still a bad comparison that shouldn't have happened

My thoughts exactly. Not too bad a result, but absurd test. It would have been better to show that the boot time was comparable to a modern phone, which it is.

Of note, the test appears to have been done by Bryan Lunduke, who can be a bit of a showman.

@arubislander said in Librem 5 Phone, progress reports:

I am struggling to even see the relevance of this comparison. How often do users boot their iPhones? How often do Purism expect it will be necessary to boot the Librem 5?

I tend to agree with you and @3arn0wl about the irrelevance. After all, it's not like it's a ten minute server boot either way. Still though, I do appreciate the fast reboots of the Iphone on those rare occasions when I have to do it, and I'm looking forward to the same on the Pixel 3a when I get around to degoogling and microgifying it. It also may matter to some for other reasons:

Notwithstanding the presence of the kill switches, the set of users to whom the Librem 5 appeals might have significant overlap with the set of users who prefer to keep a phone turned off when not in use. From what we have seen so far of the user experience and what we can expect of the app ecosystem at launch, those making heavy use of existing platforms may chafe at the compromises of Phosh. "Leave the phone off most of the time" users already making minimal use of a smartphone might get by just fine, and those users will be booting a lot.

Also, do we know if the phone version of PureOS is using a ro root like Ubuntu Touch and Android? If it instead uses the rw root of a typical Debian system, then perhaps it will also see typical Debian frequent kernel increments and need to be rebooted more often.

@hummlbach said in Librem 5 Phone, progress reports:

so you have to look very closely here what you get for these 13 seconds... for example which services are running and which not... just wanted to say that these figures can be misleading easily.

Very true. While boot time is slightly faster than a three-year-old Iphone or a contemporary midrange Android (and I suspect comparable to a current Iphone or a current Android flagship), given what we know so far of the rather minimal environment of PureOS/Phosh, it seems improbable that it's doing as much in that boot time.

Still, going back to what @kugiigi said, this is on hardware that's quite weak by today's standards.

maxinova2001

@trainailleur also note that the phone in question is branded Verizon so that would add lots of seconds to the boot time, in this specific case they could at least use a debranded phone ahhh...
The comparison has no sense.
And all of that promoted on the official website ahhh...

domubpkm

Do they want to make boot time a selling point ? However, there should not have been any blurring in theses comparisons. It looks a bit like an attempt to orientate the thought... And yet i wish the best for Librem 5.

trainailleur

@maxinova2001 said in Librem 5 Phone, progress reports:

@trainailleur also note that the phone in question is branded Verizon so that would add lots of seconds to the boot time, in this specific case they could at least use a debranded phone ahhh...

Exactly.

And all of that promoted on the official website ahhh...

Yes, I found that surprising too. When I saw who wrote/filmed it, I wasn't surprised the test was so slanted, but I was even more surprised Purism had it on their website. Lunduke can be entertaining, but he is deliberately sensational and the credibility of his work is often questionable.

arubislander

@trainailleur
It is on the official website because Bryan Lunduke is director of marketing at Purism.

advocatux

@arubislander the interesting thing is that he says that on https://www.linkedin.com/in/bryanlunduke but he isn't listed on https://puri.sm/about/board/ nor https://puri.sm/about/team/ Do you know why?

arubislander

@advocatux Well, I wasn't informed . But the reason that comes to mind is the he is neither on the board of directors, nor, judging from the site, on the core team...

advocatux

@arubislander ah, I think that the reason is that he started working at Purism just some days ago (May) and those pages have not been updated yet (?)

arubislander

@advocatux While you are probably correct, I like my reasoning more...

advocatux

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trainailleur

@arubislander said in Librem 5 Phone, progress reports:

@trainailleur
It is on the official website because Bryan Lunduke is director of marketing at Purism.

Aha, thank you for that info. Now it makes more sense to me. Well, the man has a following and a certain panache at times. Let us hope he does more good than harm.

flohack

Just one more thought about this metric, unless the OS is finished and starts all necessary services, the boot time says absolutely nothing.

libremax

Librem 5 June Software Update : https://puri.sm/posts/librem-5-june-software-update/

kugiigi

To be fair, I like the progress in making gnome apps adaptive/convergent. Hopefully, someday UT will benefit from them

trainailleur

Purism are starting to demo seven pieces of software a week on the Librem 5. Here is week 1:

Runs on the Librem 5 Smartphone – Week 1

matteo

Looking at the demos, Purism is claiming to be able to use apt get to install a package. I'm wondering whether they can use that command only in a confined environment similarly as for UT or they can run it straight as it is with their own Terminal.