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Librem 5 Phone, progress reports

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      domubpkm
      last edited by 24 Oct 2019, 06:47

      A while ago, before I was interested in UT, I had an unfortunate experience with the Youyota Sailfish tablet, unfortunately never delivered. I would have liked the project to have been successful! All I can remember from this experience is an unfortunate communication from some actors who tried to drown the fish to the end by trying to make it look like the tablet would one day be delivered! We know the rest....
      I would really like the LIBREM 5 project to succeed for all those who have invested in it and for the customers. I hesitated but didn't buy.
      Indeed, all this already requires clear and verified communication from PURISM to maintain trust. And so far, this does not seem to be the case because everyone is asking too many questions: where is TRUE the state of development of LiBREM 5, which will be TRUEly delivered and when......................... !!

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        libremax
        last edited by libremax 11 Jan 2019, 17:56 1 Nov 2019, 17:49

        Early adopters (summer 2017) begin to receive email with long awaited news from Purism about the shipping of Librem5 "Birch" batch (source reddit / forum Purism) :

        "Hello [My Name]!

        Good news! Your Librem 5 smartphone you ordered 8/24/2017 is being prepared for shipment to you in the next few weeks!

        As we get your phone ready, we need just a couple pieces of information from you. Simply reply to this email (or contact [Purism email] directly) with the following information:

        • Confirm your shipping address:

        [My Name]

        [My Address] Phone: [My Phone Number]

        • Let us know if you would like a US or EU cellular modem (Broadmobi BM818, other cellular modem options are not yet available).

        • And if you would like a US, UK, or EU power charger.

        That's it! Once we have that information, we'll get your phone prepared, packed up, and shipped to you over the next couple of weeks!

        Note: This is an early batch that might have hardware problems and has a limited warranty. If you agree to this batch, you are accepting that risk and understand that you will not be able to exchange it for a later batch when they come out. If your phone is dead on arrival, or has other unexpected issues, you can return it within 14 days of receipt. (This helps to avoid a situation where someone exchanges their phone for a new batch, every time one is released.)

        This phone is in what we have designated as a "Birch" batch of phones. If you would prefer to delay your shipment to a later batch, for any reason, simply let us know and we can move you to a later shipping batch. If you would like our full standard warranty, let us know and we can move you to the Evergreen batch.

        You can find more information on each batch here: https://puri.sm/posts/supplying-the-demand/

        • The Purism Team"

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          kalle.kruse
          last edited by 27 Nov 2019, 21:13

          https://puri.sm/posts/librem-5-birch-shipping-announcement/

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            kalle.kruse
            last edited by 1 Dec 2019, 21:11

            https://azdle.net/2019/11/comparing-apples-and-gnomes/

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              trainailleur
              last edited by 1 Dec 2019, 22:05

              It is good to see that some hardware exists. I won't be seeing any of my own anytime soon however. Though I'd previous said I'd stick with Purism despite the setbacks, having originally ordered in the crowdfunding without expecting much if any finished hardware, this year's nonstop lies and dissembling finally wore me out, and I recently requested and received a full refund. Many others on other fora have reported doing the same, for the same reasons.

              If they pull off delivery of a working phone someday, maybe they can become (or return to being?) a truthful and relatively transparent enterprise, and if so I might even buy a Librem 5 or successor from them. In the meantime however, their being the polar opposite of transparent whilst all the while trumpeting their transparency simply became too much for me to stomach. I still wish them success, and I hope that refund-seekers like me don't become a stampede that breaks them, but even as important as unfettered hardware is, there are to my mind more worthy recipients of $600 funding (in what was effectively a donation from the beginning given the murky prospects of results).

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                makeixo
                last edited by 4 Jul 2020, 08:04

                Did anyone receive a Librem5 yet?

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                  libremax
                  last edited by 4 Nov 2020, 20:18

                  Last news from Purism about Librem5, "mass production shipping FAQ": https://puri.sm/posts/the-librem-5-mass-production-shipping-faq/

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                    makeixo @libremax
                    last edited by 4 Nov 2020, 21:45

                    @libremax How many times they have said, that they start to ship devices now/soon?

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                      libremax @makeixo
                      last edited by 4 Nov 2020, 22:25

                      @makeixo pessimism, skepticism, optimism, everyone can choose...

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                        Keneda @libremax
                        last edited by 5 Nov 2020, 18:11

                        @libremax said in Librem 5 Phone, progress reports:

                        @makeixo pessimism, skepticism, optimism, everyone can choose...

                        Realism? 😳

                        2015-2023 : Meizu MX4 ☠️⚰️✝️
                        2023-2024 : Nexus 5 ☠️⚰️✝️
                        2024-***** : FPOS Fairphone 5 waiting UT for freedom 😉
                        🇲🇫🇬🇧

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                          libremax @Keneda
                          last edited by libremax 11 Jun 2020, 09:47 6 Nov 2020, 08:41

                          @Keneda said in Librem 5 Phone, progress reports:

                          @libremax said in Librem 5 Phone, progress reports:

                          @makeixo pessimism, skepticism, optimism, everyone can choose...

                          Realism? 😳

                          Realism is about past not future (and predictions are about future).

                          In the past, to the best of my knowledge, Purism has always delivered the products ordered.
                          It could change, in the future, but it's not primarily a question of realism.

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                            Keneda @libremax
                            last edited by 6 Nov 2020, 13:49

                            @libremax said in Librem 5 Phone, progress reports:

                            Purism has always delivered the products ordered.

                            Nobody said they would not.

                            2015-2023 : Meizu MX4 ☠️⚰️✝️
                            2023-2024 : Nexus 5 ☠️⚰️✝️
                            2024-***** : FPOS Fairphone 5 waiting UT for freedom 😉
                            🇲🇫🇬🇧

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                              libremax @Keneda
                              last edited by 6 Nov 2020, 17:17

                              @Keneda said in Librem 5 Phone, progress reports:

                              @libremax said in Librem 5 Phone, progress reports:

                              Purism has always delivered the products ordered.

                              Nobody said they would not.

                              Here, in this thread, not directly, elsewhere many theories are circulating...

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                                makeixo @libremax
                                last edited by 6 Nov 2020, 18:51

                                @libremax

                                In the past, to the best of my knowledge, Purism has always delivered the products ordered.

                                They may deliver at some point, but they have lied to their backers.

                                In my opinion it is just low, sending shipping notices to backer instead to be honest just say: "Sorry guys, but we have a serve problem and try to fix it."

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                                  libremax @makeixo
                                  last edited by libremax 11 Jun 2020, 21:39 6 Nov 2020, 21:38

                                  @makeixo said in Librem 5 Phone, progress reports:

                                  @libremax

                                  In the past, to the best of my knowledge, Purism has always delivered the products ordered.

                                  They may deliver at some point, but they have lied to their backers.

                                  Librem 5 — Promise Delivery Chart gives the facts.
                                  Everyone is free to form his or her own opinion.
                                  Generally speaking, I'm not very interested in this kind of twists and turns.

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                                    Fla @libremax
                                    last edited by 7 Nov 2020, 22:16

                                    @libremax your link says "Works with Ubuntu Touch“ and "collaboration with UBPorts“. I severly doubt that...

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                                      kugiigi
                                      last edited by 10 Nov 2020, 05:21

                                      @Keneda Purism

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                                        flohack
                                        last edited by 11 Nov 2020, 10:27

                                        Just saying "Works with Ubuntu Touch" does not say anything. Of course it "will work" but thats no factual statement what will work.

                                        For collaboration I can say that currently there is no official collaboration ongoing. If they are silently porting stuff they need or just take the Pinephone image and tweak it, all possible, but we dont get those informations.

                                        BR

                                        My languages: 🇦🇹 🇩🇪 🇬🇧 🇺🇸

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                                          libremax @flohack
                                          last edited by libremax 11 Nov 2020, 11:11 11 Nov 2020, 11:05

                                          @Flohack If my memory is good, UBports received from Purism, first, a development kit that we can see UT running on the video and latter an other device (from Aspen, Birch or Chestnut batch, I don't remember).
                                          If those devices was not paid by UBports, it was a form of collaboration on the part of Purism (even if it belongs to the past and not "currently").

                                          I understand that strategies, interests, agendas from UBports were better aligned with Pine64 and Volla than with Purism and that decisions were, as far as I know and can understand, logical.

                                          But I also think that, in that matter, UBport's communication has lacked and still lacks consistency and clarity.

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                                            flohack
                                            last edited by 11 Nov 2020, 11:09

                                            You might be right but collaboration is for me always a present thing: And currently there is no collaboration and support. The devkit was indeed sent, and we could show initial results. But its not a usable image now and I want by all means prevent the impression that someone on our side is actively working on a port.

                                            Just to be clear we had to make decisions in 2019 where we put our effort in, and the Pinephone won this judgement, based on various factors. We have ever since accumulated hundreds of hours probably that would also be needed for the Librem5 to be on par.

                                            Since we do not have enough hands on deck, UBports Foundation cannot contribute to Librem5 enablement at the moment. We can give advice and counsel, but no developer is there to be assigned to the tasks.

                                            I want to prevent embarassment when the final batch is sent out and backers expect that Ubuntu Touch can be just installed and will work. This will not be the case, just a word of warning here 🙂

                                            My languages: 🇦🇹 🇩🇪 🇬🇧 🇺🇸

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