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Librem 5 Phone, progress reports

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    • K Offline
      kalle.kruse
      last edited by 27 Nov 2019, 21:13

      https://puri.sm/posts/librem-5-birch-shipping-announcement/

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        kalle.kruse
        last edited by 1 Dec 2019, 21:11

        https://azdle.net/2019/11/comparing-apples-and-gnomes/

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          trainailleur
          last edited by 1 Dec 2019, 22:05

          It is good to see that some hardware exists. I won't be seeing any of my own anytime soon however. Though I'd previous said I'd stick with Purism despite the setbacks, having originally ordered in the crowdfunding without expecting much if any finished hardware, this year's nonstop lies and dissembling finally wore me out, and I recently requested and received a full refund. Many others on other fora have reported doing the same, for the same reasons.

          If they pull off delivery of a working phone someday, maybe they can become (or return to being?) a truthful and relatively transparent enterprise, and if so I might even buy a Librem 5 or successor from them. In the meantime however, their being the polar opposite of transparent whilst all the while trumpeting their transparency simply became too much for me to stomach. I still wish them success, and I hope that refund-seekers like me don't become a stampede that breaks them, but even as important as unfettered hardware is, there are to my mind more worthy recipients of $600 funding (in what was effectively a donation from the beginning given the murky prospects of results).

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            makeixo
            last edited by 4 Jul 2020, 08:04

            Did anyone receive a Librem5 yet?

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              libremax
              last edited by 4 Nov 2020, 20:18

              Last news from Purism about Librem5, "mass production shipping FAQ": https://puri.sm/posts/the-librem-5-mass-production-shipping-faq/

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                makeixo @libremax
                last edited by 4 Nov 2020, 21:45

                @libremax How many times they have said, that they start to ship devices now/soon?

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                  libremax @makeixo
                  last edited by 4 Nov 2020, 22:25

                  @makeixo pessimism, skepticism, optimism, everyone can choose...

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                    Keneda @libremax
                    last edited by 5 Nov 2020, 18:11

                    @libremax said in Librem 5 Phone, progress reports:

                    @makeixo pessimism, skepticism, optimism, everyone can choose...

                    Realism? 😳

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                      libremax @Keneda
                      last edited by libremax 11 Jun 2020, 09:47 6 Nov 2020, 08:41

                      @Keneda said in Librem 5 Phone, progress reports:

                      @libremax said in Librem 5 Phone, progress reports:

                      @makeixo pessimism, skepticism, optimism, everyone can choose...

                      Realism? 😳

                      Realism is about past not future (and predictions are about future).

                      In the past, to the best of my knowledge, Purism has always delivered the products ordered.
                      It could change, in the future, but it's not primarily a question of realism.

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                        Keneda @libremax
                        last edited by 6 Nov 2020, 13:49

                        @libremax said in Librem 5 Phone, progress reports:

                        Purism has always delivered the products ordered.

                        Nobody said they would not.

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                        2023-2024 : Nexus 5 ☠️⚰️✝️
                        2024-***** : FPOS Fairphone 5 waiting UT for freedom πŸ˜‰
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                          libremax @Keneda
                          last edited by 6 Nov 2020, 17:17

                          @Keneda said in Librem 5 Phone, progress reports:

                          @libremax said in Librem 5 Phone, progress reports:

                          Purism has always delivered the products ordered.

                          Nobody said they would not.

                          Here, in this thread, not directly, elsewhere many theories are circulating...

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                            makeixo @libremax
                            last edited by 6 Nov 2020, 18:51

                            @libremax

                            In the past, to the best of my knowledge, Purism has always delivered the products ordered.

                            They may deliver at some point, but they have lied to their backers.

                            In my opinion it is just low, sending shipping notices to backer instead to be honest just say: "Sorry guys, but we have a serve problem and try to fix it."

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                              libremax @makeixo
                              last edited by libremax 11 Jun 2020, 21:39 6 Nov 2020, 21:38

                              @makeixo said in Librem 5 Phone, progress reports:

                              @libremax

                              In the past, to the best of my knowledge, Purism has always delivered the products ordered.

                              They may deliver at some point, but they have lied to their backers.

                              Librem 5 β€” Promise Delivery Chart gives the facts.
                              Everyone is free to form his or her own opinion.
                              Generally speaking, I'm not very interested in this kind of twists and turns.

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                                Fla @libremax
                                last edited by 7 Nov 2020, 22:16

                                @libremax your link says "Works with Ubuntu Touchβ€œ and "collaboration with UBPortsβ€œ. I severly doubt that...

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                                  kugiigi
                                  last edited by 10 Nov 2020, 05:21

                                  @Keneda Purism

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                                    flohack
                                    last edited by 11 Nov 2020, 10:27

                                    Just saying "Works with Ubuntu Touch" does not say anything. Of course it "will work" but thats no factual statement what will work.

                                    For collaboration I can say that currently there is no official collaboration ongoing. If they are silently porting stuff they need or just take the Pinephone image and tweak it, all possible, but we dont get those informations.

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                                      libremax @flohack
                                      last edited by libremax 11 Nov 2020, 11:11 11 Nov 2020, 11:05

                                      @Flohack If my memory is good, UBports received from Purism, first, a development kit that we can see UT running on the video and latter an other device (from Aspen, Birch or Chestnut batch, I don't remember).
                                      If those devices was not paid by UBports, it was a form of collaboration on the part of Purism (even if it belongs to the past and not "currently").

                                      I understand that strategies, interests, agendas from UBports were better aligned with Pine64 and Volla than with Purism and that decisions were, as far as I know and can understand, logical.

                                      But I also think that, in that matter, UBport's communication has lacked and still lacks consistency and clarity.

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                                        flohack
                                        last edited by 11 Nov 2020, 11:09

                                        You might be right but collaboration is for me always a present thing: And currently there is no collaboration and support. The devkit was indeed sent, and we could show initial results. But its not a usable image now and I want by all means prevent the impression that someone on our side is actively working on a port.

                                        Just to be clear we had to make decisions in 2019 where we put our effort in, and the Pinephone won this judgement, based on various factors. We have ever since accumulated hundreds of hours probably that would also be needed for the Librem5 to be on par.

                                        Since we do not have enough hands on deck, UBports Foundation cannot contribute to Librem5 enablement at the moment. We can give advice and counsel, but no developer is there to be assigned to the tasks.

                                        I want to prevent embarassment when the final batch is sent out and backers expect that Ubuntu Touch can be just installed and will work. This will not be the case, just a word of warning here πŸ™‚

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                                          libremax @flohack
                                          last edited by 11 Nov 2020, 11:33

                                          @Flohack said in Librem 5 Phone, progress reports:

                                          Just to be clear we had to make decisions in 2019 where we put our effort in, and the Pinephone won this judgement, based on various factors. We have ever since accumulated hundreds of hours probably that would also be needed for the Librem5 to be on par.

                                          However, it has been said multiple time that a big part of the work for Pinephone will benefit to Librem5 because they share most of the software stack (mainline kernel, wayland,...). And Purism contribute kernel and drivers adaptation upstream so, all in all, it's an implicit form of collaboration πŸ˜‰

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                                            flohack @libremax
                                            last edited by 11 Nov 2020, 14:53

                                            @libremax Collaboration must be explicit. To collaborate does not mean 2 parties that donΒ΄t talk with each other and donΒ΄t sync eventually do the right steps so that something bigger starts working.

                                            You cannot build a house together if you never meet at the construction site. Yes, Pinephone work will probably help the device bringup, but see the state of the Pinephone, just now they applied a new kernel and all the telephony falls apart immediately. Pinephone is fragile, still, with continuous efforts voer all communities, not only UBports.

                                            So unless someone steps up explicitly, and says yes I am gonna do the adaption for Librem5, it will not be functional at all. And it will not be a cakewalk to get it there. Probably north of 200 hrs at least until you are on par with Pinephone, more to be on par with an Android core device.

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