PinePhone
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To me, if the video out will not work with Unity 8... this would be a deal-breaking disappointment I think.
The current selling point to me is this is a device we can take as a community and focus on and has an affordable price point for mass adoption.
To me, after listening to the linuxlads audiocast I felt 'The Pinephone is it'. It is affordable, freedom respecting and we can develop and test and experience the original convergence experience. To me this would be a massive disappointment if not possible. Just my opinion.
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@wayneoutthere Hey Wayne. Has something or someone given you the indication that video out will not work? As things stand we have a plan A and a plan B for video out hw implementation. Obviously, we do not do software, so not sure how difficult it will be for the devs to implement it sw wise ... but seems like Marius et al have it under control.
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@PINE64 Hi. It's just one more question.. about fingerprint sensors.
Even if i didn't see a fingerprint sensor in Pinephone description, have you had a thought about that ? As fingerprint sensors will become more and more indispensable nowadays ?
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A few questions that I'd be glad to see clarified (if that's possible today). Not to make a demand, but to know What's in it?:
- weight: The wiki has 200-235 gram, whereas the initial post has between 168g and 177g. Can you confirm either value (and unit)?
- sensors: Does the device have an ambient light sensor?
- GNSS: Is GPS: Yes, with A-GPS, GLONASS a data point or an exhaustive enumeration of GNSS support? (Thinking about Beidou, Galileo. But also: What about SBAS support [WAAS, EGNOS]? Easiest answer would perhaps be some GNSS chip information.)
- IP class: Any information regarding ingress protection marking?
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What sort of dac/amp are you using for this? Obviously a low priority, but it would be FANTASTIC to be able to throw a bunch of flac files on an microsd card and just bring this one device with me when I'm out and about, without also having to bring a dongle/amp/dap.
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Updated the first post with many changes taken from this thread and from the wiki.
A few questions that I'd be glad to see clarified (if that's possible today). Not to make a demand, but to know What's in it?:
- weight: The wiki has 200-235 gram, whereas the initial post has between 168g and 177g. Can you confirm either value (and unit)?
This has me curious too.
- GNSS: Is GPS: Yes, with A-GPS, GLONASS a data point or an exhaustive enumeration of GNSS support? (Thinking about Beidou, Galileo. But also: What about SBAS support [WAAS, EGNOS]? Easiest answer would perhaps be some GNSS chip information.)
It seems that GNSS will be coming from the cell modem. Specs for the EG25-G say the following:
GPS/GLONASS/BeiDou/Galileo/QZSS (Optional)
I don't know if "Optional" refers to QZSS, or to the presence of GNSS at all (which we know Pine64 is opting to include).
- IP class: Any information regarding ingress protection marking?
@PINE64 will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe tllim said on IRC once that water resistance was out of scope for the first generation phone.
Also, the Wiki mentions LTE band 25, but the Quectel pdf does not. Is 25 a typo?
Question to the broader community: does Ubuntu Touch support VoLTE?
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Sorry for the delay, I was getting some confirmations so I could offer information with a degree of precision:
@domubpkm We have considered a fingerprint sensor, but decided against it at an early stage. As stated previously, we figured the KISS principle should apply to the first phone we make.
@padu The 200-235g is probably accurate; its based on the current case + weight of everything that has to fit in it. Its not 100% precise because the PCB and various custom components don't exist yet and some things may yet change as the phone enters production. Consider it a rough estimate.
The Pinephone has an ambient light sensor - part nr. STK3335 and datasheet. While we're at it - the magneto sensor for compass part nr is: LIS3MDL and accelerator / gyro: MPU-6050.
All GPS info has been listed in the wiki, so I'll refer you to that.
@trainailleur correct, dust and water resilience / proofing is not on the agenda. Perhaps someone from the community will want to make an IP case?
If so, I'm sure we'd be happy to help out. Will get back to you re. bands - perhaps best to ask TL in IRC. [edit] seems like Quectel are making some changes to the bands on the EG-25G ; but its most likely more bands will be supported rather than that they'll remove some bands@Photojoe4 there is an amp inside the A64 - see wiki for spec details of the SOC ... should be listed. In short, nothing fancy but perfectly functional.
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@PINE64 Hey sir. I understood above that it was some limitation in video out on hardware. My bad. IF it's just a software limitation than definitely Marius 'has it under control'. If he doesn't, we will gently speak to him har har
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@wayneoutthere
The current implementation we have in mind should make the digital video out via USB C for convergence pretty straight forward famous last words. The dev kits have a dedicated full sized video output for devs convenience so that they don't need to mess around with dongles, etc., So I hope we'll see a convergence demo on the dev kit some time before the phone comes out at the end of the year. -
Thanks as always for the detailed replies, @PINE64. I've updated the first post again. You and TL have been keeping me busy doing that.
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@PINE64 It is an important retail, i think : can you confirm me there is a (blinking) led notification. Thanks
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@domubpkm We haven't decided on that yet.
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@PINE64 Ok. But i'm sure that you know that it is an essentiel mecanim especially for DEKKO 2 notification..
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Fully agree with @domubpkm I like the LED notification, that's also why I didn't like iPhone...
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Thanks for the feedback re. the notification LED - I'll take it back to TL and argue that its a desired feature. Software-wise, do notification LEDs work on Ubuntu Touch?
Open. Friendly. Community Driven.
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@PINE64 Yes
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TL "one RGB LED is OK. I will factor in on devkit v2 and PinePhone"
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You beat me: I saw @mariogrip's photo on IRC archive from earlier and was just coming here to post about it.
