How safe is UT from trackers?

AppLee

@adlinux said in How safe is UT from trackers?:

Or I could just be wearing a tin foil hat...

LOL

I better understand your position.
And I agree that you should be able to eat your cake.

I don't really know much about trackers, but a simple solution I use to avoid tracking (as much as possible) is to use webapps.
So no need to include a somehow difficult feature to a complex app such as Morph Browser.

AFAIK, tracking frequently uses cookies (and maybe there already is an option to block cookies in Morph) and cookies are shared between tabs.
On desktop, I use private navigation in order to make a search on "untrusted" websites.

On mobile, I use webapps. If I want to buy something from amazon, I use a webapp and everything I do is kept at amazon level. Every information spill come from amazon and the data I willingly provided them.
When I do banking I also use a webapp so my bank doesn't know about my internet usage.
If I have to watch a video on youtube I also use a webapp and I make sure that no cookie is stored between sessions this way I don't end up with google building up a profile based on what they think I might be interested in.

The theory behind tracking is nice, but mostly they propose crap that I don't want. So I prefer to look for content all by myself. That's the freedom I get by using webapps.

I think the power of webapps is really underestimated for how you can manage your internet experience.

I hope this could help you in your endeavor.
What I wanted to point out is how difficult it is to define an tracker's blocker. My answer to that is webapp by prohibiting cookies to be accessed by anyone I don't want.

Cheers

Keneda

@applee said in How safe is UT from trackers?:

My answer to that is webapp

Your own webapps?

AntiDroid

Has anyone read the piece on tuxphones.com about Anonymity vs Privacy. I feel it is relevant to this thread because the two concepts are often referred to interchangeably but offer very different things.

AppLee

@keneda
It depends. It is easy enough for me to create my own as I have clickable already installed and configured.
If I didn't I would certainly use webber for example.

I personally find that there are too many webapps in the open-store.
So when I make my own I do not publish it.

Keneda

@applee said in How safe is UT from trackers?:

I personally find that there are too many webapps in the open-store.

That's not there are too many, that's there are too many that no longer works... ^^
But i agree with you, if everyone puts its own webapp that would be the jungle.

Today i searched for playstation webapp, i found one, then i clicked on publisher :
https://open-store.io/?sort=relevance&search=author%3Amar_k83
Most of them marked not functionning in coms, for sure it is 2 years old and for 15.04.

Those deprecated webapps (i mean, not only in this link) is not a good thing for openstore user experience.

TotalSonic

In partial answer to this question - here's the results of the security test at https://coveryourtracks.eff.org/ for all of the different browsers I have on my Volla Phone, with uAdBlock enabled.

Morph browser ->
Morph

Firefox-esr 78 running in Libertine container ->
Firefox

Roadtrip (alternative QtWebEngine based browser demo from Mateo Salta) ->

Onion (interestingly this one performed the worst in this test, despite being based on Tor, and supposedly providing enhanced security) ->
Onion

Best regards,
Steve Berson

3T_Ed

@totalsonic

OnePlus 3T + Morph Browser

mateo_salta

@3t_ed there are a bunch of qtwebengine flags we can use to reduce fingerprinting

AdLinux

I think there might be a discrepancy between different devices when it comes to the effectiveness of uAdBlock.

A lot of people have posted screenshots from their phones of the EFF's 'Cover Your Tracks' showing Morph blocking trackers (with the help of uAdBlock). However, I am having no such luck on my Sony Xperia 10.

Here are my screenshots (well they would be screenshots but instead they are photos, as the current build for the Xperia 10 doesn't seem to have MTP working yet).

Morph with uAdBlock:

Onion with uAdBlock:

Does anyone have any ideas as to why there is this discrepancy? Or how it could be solved?

AntiDroid

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TotalSonic

@adlinux - yes, in retesting I am now getting the same results as you!! - not sure what is going on with this - but it is concerning.

Best regards,
Steve Berson

domubpkm

@totalsonic I think your uAdBlock is fully disabled even if you think it is activated and shows lists.
It can be the case for an OTA update or if you change of channel.
So first do 'deactivate uAdBlock' and then reactivate it: personally I check all the lists.
But it's right that for the Volla, we have always a NEARLY-unique fingerprint : i don't like this word nearly. This word is too much
@mateo_salta Why did you remove demo browser from the Open Store? Improving it would have been nice but it still has some use as it is for testing I think. Demo browser as a UNIQUE fingerprint!!

Moem

@domubpkm said in How safe is UT from trackers?:

I think your uAdBlock is fully disabled even if you think it is activated and shows lists.
It can be the case for an OTA update or if you change of channel.

Thank you for this, I had no idea!

domubpkm

@domubpkm said in How safe is UT from trackers?:

@mateo_salta Why did you remove demo browser from the Open Store? Improving it would have been nice but it still has some use as it is for testing.

Demo browser is back in the Open Store today. Thanks @mateo_salta .