any way to change desktop environment?

[developerbayman]

@moem yeah sometimes i come off harsh my intent isnt to annoy or badger just calling it how i see ....and im not always right....but as far a UT goes these are simply my observations

"a good friend will criticize you, while placators remain silent“

[kugiigi]

@developerbayman Actually, Canonical created Libertine to offer desktop apps on their tablet. It wasn't really for power users. Libertine + Puritine were available out of the box on UT tablets back in the day and some preinstalled apps like Libreoffice. Libertine is barely maintained/developed nowadays due to well, lack of workforce and also isn't a priority.

Messing with apt is a hit and miss. It really depends on what you do and/or install. The problems comes from the fact that OTA updates may be delta so any changes in that update may conflict with whatever you did in the system. A full OTA update won't break the system but all your system changes will be gone.

With that, you still have a choice if you are a power user. It's just more effort and complicated for power users to do technical tasks. Rather that than normal users putting more effort to do things like updating the system I personally modify my system and do a lot of hacks. Not with apt though, although I did that too in the past when I developed my apps directly on the my device. I created a script called Jerk Installer to install my hacks which helps me install/uninstall whenever I update the system.

If you're looking for "Linux" apps and programs. The issue more than just the read-only system. First is the old base which will be fixed, to some degree in the focal upgrade. Another is the wayland support which is supported already in newer devices but still not good. Libertine uses xmir which is slow and unmaintaned. Another is support for package managers like Flatpak, Snap and Appimage which would need significant effort.

[cliffcoggin]

@developerbayman said in any way to change desktop environment?:

......if it was made with linux power users and developers in mind (basically just give us ubuntu with lomri) ....and watch how popular UT would become ...i bet 20 bucks

If UT was made for "power users and developers" I would get rid of it instantly. I am a normal user having no interest in tweaking a phone or fiddling with Lomiri etc. All I want is a phone that works without any intervention by me.

[Moem]

@cliffcoggin said in any way to change desktop environment?:

I am a normal user having no interest in tweaking a phone or fiddling with Lomiri etc. All I want is a phone that works without any intervention by me.

And you are very much not alone in that. Some of us casual users really don't want Android or iPhones!

[developerbayman]

@cliffcoggin that could be the beauty of it like one terminal command ...power user .....without command normal use case

[developerbayman]

@kugiigi may i have access to you "jerk script"?

[developerbayman]

thanks for all you feed back! .

[kugiigi]

@developerbayman Here https://github.com/kugiigi/jerk-installer

It's just a simple script that can replace and restore system files. Most of my packages deal with QML files but I've also tried other things like config files.

My main hacks right now is for Lomiri and the OSK.

[Keneda]

@kugiigi
I may already asked you that before, but did you consider making a Jerk app for Openstore ?

[cliffcoggin]

@developerbayman You are clearly very keen on inproving UT, so why not join the developer team which is crying out for qualified members to contribute to the system. You would then get a clearer idea of the principles on which Ubuntu Touch is built, and some of the constraints imposed by those principles.

[kugiigi]

@keneda I think it's doing too much to the system that I don't want it to be available just to anyone. Although it's generally safe, because I use and test it on my main phone , it can still break your system.
But if anyone wants to create, I won't stop them. I'm also not sure though if it can even be approved in the store.

[developerbayman]

@cliffcoggin very true actually im currently trying to understand things like click and how to build halium

but i cant lie my IQ is only so high also iv run into alot of road blocks

i am however not deterred however in my eyes i feel like to truly join the dev team i need not ask so much as to begin to create
.....UT is out of my current skill set but im learning

....i also have taken a shine to python in the last couple of weeks and have been having alot of fun also

i have almost finished a new android app for use in waydroid to access UBports forum fixing some things like copy paste,file upload,

also im waiting to get my server back up because we are clustering i was going to implement a UBports zoom conference system into the app
then i was going to release it on here

.....also thinking about hosting a UBports excluseive to waydroid app store ......idk bout the last one id prob take a vote i feel f-droid,apkpure ect feel a little spammy to me

so iv chosen to adopt this community so i would like to see us have nice things

[developerbayman]

@cliffcoggin right now im more useful with/to waydroid but i intend to change this

[developerbayman]

actually i could release it now i just would disable video conference option?? what do you guys think??

[flohack]

@developerbayman OTA updates are delta-based, so if they break your system is then hit-or-miss, if UT changed something that you also changed with apt or by editing it manually it will get overwritten/erased by an OTA delta eventually. But if that happens simply switch channels back or forth, or reinstall with the instsaller to get a full wipe, and you are back in business.

Its really not easy to break a UT install, in contrast to a desktop PC. And thats the beauty of all those restrictions, they keep you afloat as long as possible.

[developerbayman]

Iv been off UT for a day or so messing with my orange pi but i think im gonna try installing plasma mobile .....https://plasma-mobile.org/ would be sweet if it worked on top of UT