Post your thoughts here on this tablet...
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@arubislander Thats good to know. I have not needed desktop mode on any UT tablet or phone yet, so haven't used it.
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@Lumpology About same Morph problem I am talking. I tried even ask on Telegram for help but no reply.
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@Lumpology I see what you mean with the browser side bar and the scaling.
I don't use libertine or Waydroid or wireless display as I have no need to, but they are good points to know.
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@MrT10001 said in Post your thoughts here on this tablet...:
@Lumpology I see what you mean with the browser side bar and the scaling.
@MrT10001 so you also have noticed this problem?
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@Spymaker only this morning, I usually just type into the browser bar to get to a website, rarely use the sidebar on a phone/tablet. I guess I am easily pleased
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Does anyone have any idea why shutting down and restarting takes 5 minutes? The screen goes black immediately, but it seems like something hangs in the background. I tried going back to Android and then reinstalling Ubuntu a few times, but the problem persist.
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@Spymaker said in Post your thoughts here on this tablet...:
@MrT10001 You may remember which firmware you used: the recommended TB_X306F_S230626_230530_BMP and the latest official TB_X306F_S230940_240402_BMP?
So you used manual installation https://gitlab.com/ubports/porting/community-ports/android11/lenovo-tab-m10-hd/lenovo-m10-hd/-/tree/cd31621b6d5b80808dd9821c58279841e6fce6e9 not ubports-installer_0.10.0_win_x64?
Can you share image which you are using?@MrT10001 Please, can you share your experience?
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@Spymaker It wasn't on the installer when I first noticed and tried the port.
It was a fair amount of trial and error before I narrowed the installation down and got clarity with the installation. It it involved patience and resilience, and starting from scratch (recovered using the Lenovo Recovery tool quite a few times).
If you try the manual method, images are available on gitlab as you have pointed to. I would now use the installer as it is quicker and easier, works all the time (for me).
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@MrT10001 said in Post your thoughts here on this tablet...:
@Spymaker It wasn't on the installer when I first noticed and tried the port.
It was a fair amount of trial and error before I narrowed the installation down and got clarity with the installation. It it involved patience and resilience, and starting from scratch (recovered using the Lenovo Recovery tool quite a few times).
If you try the manual method, images are available on gitlab as you have pointed to. I would now use the installer as it is quicker and easier, works all the time (for me).
@MrT10001 You have mentioned: "The porter is aware of the screen touch waking up the device. He provided a boot image which I tested and it stopped the issue."
Regarding “It it involved patience and resilience, and starting from scratch (recovered using the Lenovo Recovery tool quite a few times).” Please believe me, I have patience :face_with_tongue: I’ve started from scratch maybe 20 times, but from the first attempt, I have had this “shutting down and restarting takes 5 minutes” problem.
An important thing to note: when I installed image r73, the tablet did not stay in “Desktop mode” after a restart.
I am finding it difficult to get support and share my experience. Here, at least, someone replies and you can track messages. Telegram is nonsense: you send a message, and after a short time, tens of messages come on top, and nobody cares about what you have posted. Telegram is good for announcing that a war has started, but not for different support questions.
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@Spymaker Quite a few devices suffer shut down issues. What I work round is to boot to Fasboot mode or Recovery with power and volume buttons, then shut down from there.
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@MrT10001 said in Post your thoughts here on this tablet...:
@Spymaker Quite a few devices suffer shut down issues. What I work round is to boot to Fasboot mode or Recovery with power and volume buttons, then shut down from there.
@MrT10001 long press of Power button will work also, but just very annoying bug. My every day work is related to QC, so I like things to work 100% :face_with_monocle:
What more is headache: why I have this problem on my TB-X306F and other users do not have?!
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@Spymaker I saw similar with the tb-x605f. Some installs went well, some just didn't throwing up issues such as battery not showing correct charge etc.. I think there may be slight revision differences between the same device family.
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Regarding Morph: as discussed on telegram this affects other devices also, so I have created "Issue": https://gitlab.com/ubports/development/core/morph-browser/-/issues/574
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I still want to go back to the question: Why does the tablet start in desktop mode by default? Why can't the user save their preferred mode? Any Idea?
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@Spymaker
Because it requires work.This is a tablet and the size of the screen is better exploited in desktop mode, so that's the default.
Customization requires a lot of work and testing, so that's not something that is a priority, features and bug fixes as well as keeping the system up-to-date are top priorities.But if that's something important to you, contributions are welcome and if a new feature is proposed, it will be reviewed and merged.
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@AppLee I understand your idea, but I think this is a matter of opinion. For me, the M10 screen is very small to use in desktop mode. For example, I use my main PC for work with two 43-inch 4K monitors, and if I had the space, I would add one more.
What I want to say is that there is nothing wrong with using the M10 in either desktop or mobile mode, and there's nothing wrong with having desktop mode on a fresh install. The problem is that the user can't keep their preferred settings, unlike other settings:The desktop/mobile mode setting does not persist across reboots. After a reboot or cold start, the tablet always starts in desktop mode, regardless of what the user has set.
We had a conversation yesterday on Telegram, where one of the admins, also one contributor, and all agreed that this is wrong. I was asked to report this as a bug.
The customization question, in my opinion, is completely irrelevant since mobile mode is already available. As I mentioned, the problem is the user can’t keep their preferred mode.
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@Spymaker said in Post your thoughts here on this tablet...:
I understand your idea, but I think this is a matter of opinion.
If it's a matter of opinion, then the one that matters is the opinion from the person who set the default to desktop.
@Spymaker said in Post your thoughts here on this tablet...:
We had a conversation yesterday on Telegram, where one of the admins, also one contributor, and all agreed that this is wrong. I was asked to report this as a bug.
For bug report, you'll have to go to gitlab and report it to the proper project.
I don't know if this is handled by the porter or if it's part of the OS.I answered to this question:
@Spymaker said in Post your thoughts here on this tablet...:Why does the tablet start in desktop mode by default? Why can't the user save their preferred mode? Any Idea?
And I explained the reasons why.
Work needs to be done by a volunteer, so if no one is interested in doing this job it will be up to you.
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@AppLee As advised by Contributors the bug I have reported already on main project site https://gitlab.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/-/issues/2190
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P.S. The answer we found yesterday to my primary question: it's a bug.
Users and contributors have been confused about this up to now:
Most users, when asked why the tablet boots in desktop mode, are referring to why the tablet boots in desktop mode after a reboot or cold start.
Contributors thought users were asking why the tablet boots in desktop mode the first time after the OS is installed.
