lets talk about the phasing out of haluim
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@grenudi lol ill take it though i started programming when i was nine i am 43 now ...so for most of my life i had to bang my head on syntax ...now i can simply stop the headache and run it through a LLM ...HOWEVER... it is NOT a END all beat all .....if your not careful things can go off the rails very quickly or you will get garbage ......but thank god long gone are the days of "iv been stuck on why this function hasnt worked for the last six months!" ....thank god!!! and good riddance!!
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@grenudi Which projects ditch halium?
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@kugiigi im just guessing but i would think like pixels and other phones where the drivers are not on lock ...i dont actually know tho
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@developerbayman I only know Droidian and UT. I don't know any other projects that use Halium and has actual daily driver users.
postmarketOS has always been about mainlining mobile devices so it's not that.
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@kugiigi yeah i dont know either ....to bad we couldnt simply design our own phone specifically for the project like midrange ....actually didnt they do that already? ...i know eventually im working off and on on porting UT to the orange pi 5 thing will become more interesting at that point i think ...one distro at a time i suppose lol
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@kugiigi Furi-os uses Halium. Many daily driver users. Using the dual boot feature, UT makes a good daily driver as well.
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@DenMoore Isn't FuriOS use like Debian + Phosh?
But yeah, Halium exists so we can have usable alternative OSes without having to go through the rigorous process of mainlining every device. Mainline is much better but not realistic to get something usable immediately. -
@kugiigi Not precisely, it's a Mobian fork.
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@DenMoore Isn't FuriOS use like Debian + Phosh?
But yeah, Halium exists so we can have usable alternative OSes without having to go through the rigorous process of mainlining every device. Mainline is much better but not realistic to get something usable immediately.Or within any reasonable time frame, unfortunately. The OnePlus 6 is probably as far back as I'd stretch "reasonable," and it's on the tail end of "reasonable," being ~7 (8?) years old at this point. It's extremely unfortunate.
FuriOS is Phosh on top of Debian base, yes, probably with some other stuff to make the phone work as well.
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lol ill take it though i started programming when i was nine i am 43 now ...so for most of my life i had to bang my head on syntax ...now i can simply stop the headache and run it through a LLM ...HOWEVER... it is NOT a END all beat all .....if your not careful things can go off the rails very quickly or you will get garbage ......but thank god long gone are the days of "iv been stuck on why this function hasnt worked for the last six months!" ....thank god!!! and good riddance!!
Exactly!
Its a tool, if it produces "slop" - you are using it wrong. And when you get a hang of it its a godsend mighty hammer in ones hands(and you buy those pro subscriptions 
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know eventually im working off and on on porting UT to the orange pi 5 thing will become more interesting at that point i think
I've been thinking the same thing. Dipping my hands into those projects where they strap some display on pi, periphery, telemetry module, etc, buy a 3d printer, fiddle with casings and formfactors, maybe order some metal cnc'ed parts and run postmarket or even better, nixos with with kde mobile, phosh, or lomiry, and finally get working on perfecting the actual day to day use cases, flows, programms and not the foundation that no user ever cares about or even knows it exists
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@grenudi ewww subscriptions??? ...no no i run my own custom AI on my own machine on my own custom operating system ....i might use chatgpt if i need to research something but really my AI takes care of it ....for me its all about what ui is closer if im in the zone on a project ....my AI is setup mostly voice control so i tend to use it for file operations mostly ....when i do feed AI code i try to limit the amount at a time so it does not go off the rails i like progress not regression
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if anyone is dogging the use of a modern tool to make software development easier ....they DO NOT KNOW THE STUGGLE!!! .....at the end of the day i find it offends peoples ego ...then the talk about "replacment" ...i get it ....but the truth is nothing in this world lives up to its hype .....give AI your whole project and see how quickly you go from "almost" to ....shit do i have a backup copy of the project anywhere? ...lol learned all this the hard way ....im 43 ...the government stole my retirement plan ...so my thinking is harness AI and play catch up
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my AI is setup mostly voice control
Wow, cool! Thats like scifi future to me
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@grenudi its what i was going for ....when i get the build running ill prob post a link in off topic where i was already talking about it eventually you will get to try it if you want ....only issue ...the iso file is gonna be around 17 to 24 gb ...all i can say is its big ...but super advanced if i hurry ill be the first to release a fully agentic operating system lol unofficially i broke like 4 world records in this as far as i know
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@grenudi as of ten minutes ago this is where i am with that actually
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