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@kugiigi im just guessing but i would think like pixels and other phones where the drivers are not on lock ...i dont actually know tho
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@developerbayman I only know Droidian and UT. I don't know any other projects that use Halium and has actual daily driver users.
postmarketOS has always been about mainlining mobile devices so it's not that.
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@kugiigi yeah i dont know either ....to bad we couldnt simply design our own phone specifically for the project like midrange ....actually didnt they do that already? ...i know eventually im working off and on on porting UT to the orange pi 5 thing will become more interesting at that point i think ...one distro at a time i suppose lol
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@kugiigi Furi-os uses Halium. Many daily driver users. Using the dual boot feature, UT makes a good daily driver as well.
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@DenMoore Isn't FuriOS use like Debian + Phosh?
But yeah, Halium exists so we can have usable alternative OSes without having to go through the rigorous process of mainlining every device. Mainline is much better but not realistic to get something usable immediately. -
@kugiigi Not precisely, it's a Mobian fork.
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@DenMoore Isn't FuriOS use like Debian + Phosh?
But yeah, Halium exists so we can have usable alternative OSes without having to go through the rigorous process of mainlining every device. Mainline is much better but not realistic to get something usable immediately.Or within any reasonable time frame, unfortunately. The OnePlus 6 is probably as far back as I'd stretch "reasonable," and it's on the tail end of "reasonable," being ~7 (8?) years old at this point. It's extremely unfortunate.
FuriOS is Phosh on top of Debian base, yes, probably with some other stuff to make the phone work as well.
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@grenudi ewww subscriptions??? ...no no i run my own custom AI on my own machine on my own custom operating system ....i might use chatgpt if i need to research something but really my AI takes care of it ....for me its all about what ui is closer if im in the zone on a project ....my AI is setup mostly voice control so i tend to use it for file operations mostly ....when i do feed AI code i try to limit the amount at a time so it does not go off the rails i like progress not regression
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if anyone is dogging the use of a modern tool to make software development easier ....they DO NOT KNOW THE STUGGLE!!! .....at the end of the day i find it offends peoples ego ...then the talk about "replacment" ...i get it ....but the truth is nothing in this world lives up to its hype .....give AI your whole project and see how quickly you go from "almost" to ....shit do i have a backup copy of the project anywhere? ...lol learned all this the hard way ....im 43 ...the government stole my retirement plan ...so my thinking is harness AI and play catch up
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@grenudi its what i was going for ....when i get the build running ill prob post a link in off topic where i was already talking about it eventually you will get to try it if you want ....only issue ...the iso file is gonna be around 17 to 24 gb ...all i can say is its big ...but super advanced if i hurry ill be the first to release a fully agentic operating system lol unofficially i broke like 4 world records in this as far as i know
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@grenudi as of ten minutes ago this is where i am with that actually
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... my own custom AI ...
? LLM style, or something else ?
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@grenudi said:
... Dipping my hands into those projects ... and finally get working on perfecting the actual day to day use cases ...Hmmm - no such thing as perfecting, just iterating and releasing ... (hahaha)
Embedded - Fun stuff, like my Fridge temp graph: Arduino, now ESP32, + 3.5" LCD, because I tried to find & buy one & nobody made what I wanted.
I wanted Linux native on my phone, but my brains coding limit is ESP32 (maybe better in future with AI help...).
Searched for years !
Fortunately, the UT devs finally got it to a point I can use it ! -
@oldbutndy uses ollama on the backend but its the framework in which it sets so it is agentic ...i made this before chagpt codex or openclaw
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also i very much desire for my pylinux distro to become the home of UT ...its not ubuntu ....but im going to make a living space for UT in my OS vast set of custom tools ...everything from porting to flashing ....all things in between ....really to achieve this is easy make tools the UT community cannot resist because they are so useful and time saving ...this is how my OS will show UT love
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also perhaps my initial thought was just off ...maybe instead of thinking replacement perhaps i should be thinking streamline? ....like what could make bringing devices easy ....wouldnt it be sweet if we could run a program that reads the entire device like in fastboot or something and then utilize AI to backwards engineer hardware drivers because it "sees" the hardware and then just make some software for it based on what it saw? ...companies would be mad but its not doing anything with their ip but simply right to repair your own device you paid for and own ....they wont come off the software so you make some ...well AI anyway and on the fly ideally the user shouldnt even know its happening
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...well AI anyway and on the fly ideally the user shouldnt even know its happening
This would make me dump whatever it was, hard and fast. People should always, always be aware that a process uses AI, so they can make a choice.
Is currently using an Op5t
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...utilize AI to backwards engineer hardware drivers...As long as everything it generated was open source, so it could be reviewed.
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As long as everything it generated was open source, so it could be reviewed.
Otherwise, unsafe.The problem is, that there is no way to tell. We don't know what the AI was trained on. So we can't know if what it reproduces is in violation of any licenses, proprietary or otherwise.
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@Moem AI isnt always like a LLM like chatgpt you can have a very basic small ML program that does one thing very intelligently between a few options ...it chooses or does one or a few things based on the input ....all of us have been using AI and not aware for the last 20 years
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