-
@dtarrant said in Let's be honest, Ubuntu Touch is bad:
In support of Android, many folk cite the availability of a plethora of apps. How many do you really need? Aren't many of them simply "shovelware"?
Of course I can give only examples relevant to me
Some apps that come to my mind
- I pay 10 EUR per month for Spotify Premium and I mostly listen to it while on my way (to work, friends, etc.); haven't found a way to do that on UT natively (Spotify is one of the few apps that works in anbox, though, but with horrible battery life)
- I pay money to use car/bike/scooter sharing apps and none of them offer a way to book a vehicle on their mobile website
- my Office 365 apps at work only work with certain trusted apps installed
These are kind of show stoppers for me.
So personally I can very well understand where ollehell comes from. For me UT is unusable as a daily driver. And probably will be forever, I don't know. Still I like and support the idea that people have a choice. And I met some in person who are happy using UT. So I contribute a little (working on docs, the installer and providing a manual installation alternative), but admittedly with focus on the Fairphone 2 which ultimately is what drives me.
-
@domubpkm ah, now I found it. I hope the new subject isn't as provoking
-
@ollehell Firstly thank you for changing the title of your post and secondly I hope we can help improve your experience so far with Ubuntu Touch. I'm sure someone in the community will be able to help with any individual issues.
Please remember Ubuntu Touch is not nor does it want to be Android or IOS. The OS is developing and moving forward all the time. We know there are few issues that need work and they are and will be worked out.
We are a helpful and friendly bunch and very proud of UBports and Ubuntu Touch, so join in and if you do have the time and can help out in anyway it will be very much appreciated. -
@lakotaubp you should be proud of the work you have done so far. But for me, as someone who has been running Linux almost exclusively since -99, the buggy experience I have had so far with UT is probably forcing me away from it. My biggest concern is probably Morph, it's barely usable if you as I tend to have about 5-10 tabs open and click around quite quickly. A couple of days ago the phone rebooted spontaneously while I was talking to my sister. My current batterystatus is 39% and I have barely used my phone at all today, I've made one two minute phonecall.
So what can I do except adding issues on Github?
I feel like a monster posting this, but I prefer to honestly discuss these matters. Perhaps it's just my FP2 which is underpowered? Is anyone else having my experience?
-
@ollehell I think something is wrong with your device, probably something related to anbox. What kernel are you using?
as someone who has been running Linux almost exclusively since -99, the buggy experience I have had so far with UT is probably forcing me away from it
Do you mean 1999? And you think UT is more buggy than Linux those days? lol
I can answer that question because I was using Linux too at that time: no way! -
@ollehell I only know about Nexus 4, but it is not that buggy. Its similar as Ubuntu Desktop. Actually, it is surprisingly not buggy in my experience, and I use it for a long time I don't remember. Concerning Morph, I only have 1-3 tabs open at the time (similar on the Desktop, so different kind of habits
so did not experience slowness or crashes. Concerning battery, I often had problems a year ago (but used external battery often) before replacing phone battery and now battery is good. For you, maybe its Ubuntu+FP2 issue, maybe its anbox issue as others mentioned (which is not officially ready yet) or battery itself. -
@ollehell I personally have no experience of FP2 and use a OPO on a daily basis. The battery on that with 4g on all day has gone from 100% to 67% in eleven hours. As for Morph I currently have 8 tabs open without issue so again cannot comment on your issue.
Now the spontaneous reboot I had one today while using FluffyChat. Know idea why, so I'm keeping an eye on that. Think we need someone with direct FP2 knowledge to answer that.
Maybe create a new post in Support on the FP2 battery issue and see if someone can help. It sounds like your phone thinks it's a Nexus 5 pre OTA-6 with that sort of battery drain on a couple of calls : )p.s Try changing update channels to dev for a couple of days and see if that helps. you can always go back to whatever after.
-
@advocatux My kernel is: 3.4.0-g340584c9a4f-dirty #1 SMP PREEMPT.
Just because everyone is so positive, I will give a reinstall a go and later try out using the dev-channel for a while.
But while we are at the subject, why not shed the Ubuntu past completely and start a rolling upgrade philosophy? Skip the OTA updates altogether!
-
@ollehell We are a small team, all changes must come slowly. Without much money and resources, the project is currently how it is. If you can contribute your time or donate money, it might change.
As an example, I have a day job, and already during my day job, as well as at home until late night, I work for UT. Not to mention I have family and a baby son at home. We are all working hard what we can, but you cannot expect dramatic changes during the next months or years. Canonical had over 100 employees working on this full time!
-
I had UBports on my FP2 and my BQ Aquaris M10, but I need some apps that were in UT (diabetes app, Gimp and Libreoffice are only 3 examples), and disappeared in UBports (Libreoffice or Gimp are useless now in my BQ with Libertine). I know the OS is very good, awesome, but I can't use it daily. I want to reinstall it, I'll give it a try after OTA9. I know the great small team of developers is doing a fantastic work. I'll wait, and... I'll be back soon.
-
@llamasjm The problem is that many App developers have disappeared. The apps are not maintained and with the change to 16.04 many disappeared from the store. When we do not have the source code publicly available we also cannot change the necessary things.
Android has a wider range of compatibility for older Apps. still, apps need maintenance and so its not always the best to have unmaintained apps continued in use. From that point of view it makes sense not to offer them if nobody takes care. -
9 of 10 android-apps (90% of all apps!) send everything what you do on your phone to more than 5 different companies. Every step. That is the basis that google can pay 1,000 programmers to develop android. No other system will ever be soo good. But who really wants to use such a system as your daily phone if you have to give up all of your data (which is used to do political influecences for paid money!)?
If I look on my BQ E5 with UT the energy mgt is soo great that android is worther. Ok on the Nexus 5 it is the other way around, and also on FP2?
No other mobile operating system is offering brand new updates for old hardware as ut is doing it. Have you ever thought about climate issues and what it has to do with mobile devices? Only buy 3 mobile devices in your whole life - which operating system you would choose than? IOS is on the guarenteed last place!
-
@mic_ Please keep the FUD out. No need to make such statements about competitors when you have no proof of it, and it has no relevance to making UT better.
-
What is FUD?
I am sorry, but its very easy to find studies to underline that. I am not telling unpublished issues. But okay, I don't have to ;\
-
-
@Flohack thanks for clearing things out. I think it is cool that UT is still around after Canonical ditched it.
I have reinstalled my phone now with 16.04/dev and things have improved. Battery life is much better and it is a bit more stable I would say. It must have been the anbox-kernel which made my life hard.
I will file a few issues I have with Morph and have a look at the issues labeled :"good first issue".
Thanks and keep up the good work!
