UT on PinePhone: a great video today
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@domubpkm Agree with all your points. With hindsight, it has been an interesting experience.
On the other hand, my BQ M10 HD running latest UT is a delight to use. -
@phoenixlandpirat said in UT on PinePhone: a great video today:
@povoq said in UT on PinePhone: a great video today:
he really has a point about the annoying bugs and limits in the syncing stuff even on Halium devices. Fixing that should IMHO have a much higher priority as it leaves a really bad impression on nearly every first time user.
I hear what youre saying, its a big thing to easily harp on, but when compared to phone calls and bluetooth, i think a minor annoyance for contact sync and copy and paste in a terminal, compared to a daily missing of calls, or inability to listen to music.
Hmm, maybe I am lucky, but both phone calls and listening to music seems to work fine. I understand that there are some larger improvements necessary and the situation might be different on the Pinephone, but compared to what appears to be a minor but really long standing and impactful bug that the OSK isn't triggered on trying to input your Nextcloud credentials, I do sometimes wonder...
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@domubpkm said
But personally, the more time goes by, the more I wonder if the UT PinePhone is not born dead in fact because it gains in obsolescence without even having been operational a little bit. That's my point of view from the user side!
obsolescence ?
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@domubpkm said in UT on PinePhone: a great video today:
it gains in obsolescence without even having been operational a little bit.
WOW, what about devices like mine if Pinephone, a one year old device, is in a such condition ?
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Ironically, thanks to my OPO install on UT, my wife (who has been testing a variety of distros on the PinePhone) decided to try UT. Based on all the stuff she read, she expected minimal success. She was actually rather impressed with what she could do, and also noted it moved smoothly and quickly. From a state of development, UT seems to be roughly on par with everyone else's development using the PP. Because it uses Wayland Neverball wasn't an option, but a lot of things do actually work.
So it helps to start with lower expectations.
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@povoq said in UT on PinePhone: a great video today:
@phoenixlandpirat said in UT on PinePhone: a great video today:
@povoq said in UT on PinePhone: a great video today:
he really has a point about the annoying bugs and limits in the syncing stuff even on Halium devices. Fixing that should IMHO have a much higher priority as it leaves a really bad impression on nearly every first time user.
I hear what youre saying, its a big thing to easily harp on, but when compared to phone calls and bluetooth, i think a minor annoyance for contact sync and copy and paste in a terminal, compared to a daily missing of calls, or inability to listen to music.
Hmm, maybe I am lucky, but both phone calls and listening to music seems to work fine. I understand that there are some larger improvements necessary and the situation might be different on the Pinephone, but compared to what appears to be a minor but really long standing and impactful bug that the OSK isn't triggered on trying to input your Nextcloud credentials, I do sometimes wonder...
If you havent used the pinephone and just used other devices, there are some big differences, for example, podbird in the openstore, when it first starts up and certain other scenarios, you think its crashed from lack of responsiveness, on the opo, op3 etc ut just seems a big laggy.
I fixed this by basically copying the telegram fix over to podbird.
I know this is a very different thing, but its one example of where things are strangely different from other devices and cause issues that you wouldnt think of.
I think contact sync is something that users often use a handful of times a year, its incredibly important the first sync to actually get contacts, however there are work arounds, you can import a .vcs file on the pinephone, and its a few steps but its not something to difficult.
Bluetooth is often something you can circumvent to, use wired earphones, and get a usb-c dock for other accessies, however i think bluetooth is used more daily than contact sync in general, especially since less and less places sell wired earphones, and many peoples earphones they already have from using there old thing is bluetooth, its cheaper to use what you got.
I think its just a case of “These issues are big and need to be looked at and fixed” i think priority should be in one place you think it should be in another, but i think we both agree that devices would be much nicer if everything worked!
I need to lesrn how to code low level stuff then I coukd be more helpful than “i found a bug” and “oh Ill test xyz”
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@phoenixlandpirat My point basically was: every reviewer and (edit: nearly every) first time user is going to get stuck on the sync issues as that is almost the first thing people do on a new device.
For the more obscure issues you are talking about people might be more patient and look for workarounds, but first impressions are usually deal breakers. -
@povoq said in UT on PinePhone: a great video today:
@phoenixlandpirat My point basically was: every reviewer and first time user is going to get stuck on the sync issues as that is almost the first thing people do on a new device.
I am a first time user and I have no interest in synchronising anything, Please don't assume your desires are the same as those of other people.
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@povoq said in UT on PinePhone: a great video today:
For the more obscure issues you are talking about
Idk if you meant this, or worded it weirdly, but I don't think calling people and using headphones with a phone, is more obscure than using a syncing feature.
Did you mean that the solutions to the problems where obscure and thus aren't viable for first opinions?
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@povoq said in UT on PinePhone: a great video today:
every reviewer and first time user is going to get stuck on the sync issues as that is almost the first thing people do on a new device.
Not all people.
I was a brand new user a year ago. I imported my contacts as a comma separated file, that went fine, and that's as far as that went. No other syncing required. -
@phoenixlandpirat said in UT on PinePhone: a great video today:
@povoq said in UT on PinePhone: a great video today:
For the more obscure issues you are talking about
Idk if you meant this, or worded it weirdly, but I don't think calling people and using headphones with a phone, is more obscure than using a syncing feature.
Did you mean that the solutions to the problems where obscure and thus aren't viable for first opinions?
What I meant is that calling and using headphones works on most UT supported devices, but easy syncing works on none.
Otherwise: not sure why people here insist on sharing their weirdness of not using syncing features on their smartphone
But just because "you" don't use it doesn't mean it isn't a very commonly used function supported as an expected core feature by every other larger mobile OS. -
Syncing isn't too big for me too
Importing is kind of enough. But I agree that syncing is an important feature. -
Hello, I am currently using my Nexus 5 as a daily driver. But I'm really impressed from the Pinephone (kernel channel).
Why I don't use it yet are the following reasons:
Bluetooth does not work. With the app Rockwork and a Pebble smartwatch I could often leave my smartphone in my pocket. That's a really big benefit for me. Unfortunately, not yet on the Pinephone. The 2nd is the instability of the modem. If SMS can not be received, that is, for me, really bad.
The synchronize with the Nextcloud I feel as nice to have, but I could still tolerate.
This will all certainly still come, but it unfortunately takes time.
So my Pinephone is currently running in hot standby
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@ohnez said in UT on PinePhone: a great video today:
With the app Rockwork and a Pebble smartwatch I could often leave my smartphone in my pocket.
It's you! My fellow Pebble user! High five, sibling!
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Don't worry, I will remain loyal to UT. I have tried a lot of distros thanks to the Pinephone, but at the moment they don't come close to UT. Sailfish also looks good, but really unstable. Manjaro, Postmarket OS, Mobian are really missing mobile friendly apps.
Simple things like a fuel app for gas prices or just a navi that is user friendly.
Of course, some other things work better, but the overall package looks better at UT.So it's really just a to wait for a stable modem.
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@ohnez the other thing is that when I was on the none kernel uodated versions, bluetooth worked, but only for some devices, it worked for my earphones and headphones, but it had problems with my bluetooth keyboard and mouse, I think it connected tk the devices fine but couldnt figure out what the devices actually where, all those devices work fine on my OP3 minus my pebble and the pebble works fine on the OPO, so even when bluetooth works on the pinephone, I think there might still be some bluetooth enablement stuff to work on.
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Yes that's right and there lies the problem :-).
If I want to have Bluetooth I have to be on the Dev channel.
If I want a more "stable" modem I have to be on the kernel channel.So either the Pebble Time is running or I can call someone
but I guess that soon BT will be available on the kernel channel