Personally I'm not a big fan of the idea, to me it seems far to android-y.

I like Ubuntu touch because it's Ubuntu touch, and I like it's personality.

I don't mind some ideas, but I do much prefer the style of homepage that I've seen before.

I'll try and find it, but it looked a bit like the today scope, except only had the weather and some apps.

Personally, I think the homescreen would be nice if it you could edit a bit more, if you could have your weather, your row of apps, your row of music or friends or what ever you want, but I think it needs to keep the unique feel, I think if it wants to, it can be a bit more KDE or gnome inspired.

There's a Android launcher which basically adds the windows 10 start button to your phone, I don't mind it, as it feels decent to me, but it's just windows 10 styled, I think we would be better imitating that, as it seems more like our kind of feeling than Android default.

Another problem I see, is that you swipe from the left to get your launcher, then you pull it all the way to get home, then you pull down from the bottom to access all apps.

The app draw means, you pull it from left to right slightly, you have your pinned apps, you pull it more and you have all your apps.

It's quicker and more responsive, it might not be editable at the moment, but my opinion is that, you've got the coding skills, I bet you could make the app draw look and feel amazing and add new ability's to it, and make it keep it in the feeling and style of Ubuntu touch.

That's just my opinion on the matter.

@Lakotaubp said in "UbuntuTouch" name:

@tigerpro I'm afraid calling it “Ultimate Touch” might attract the wrong sort of attention : )

Super Smash Bros Ultimate Touch.

Now that we have arm64 builds in the ubports installer, it's a lot easier for people to install and test arm64 applications.

If anyone has any apps they'd like to be tested on arm64 please reply here with a file/link to a file.

This may also be a good place to talk about hurdles compiling apps for arm64.

Thanks you

What we have:

• Signal
  Theres a beta app called axolotl, which allows conversations over the signal protocal
  https://open-store.io/app/textsecure.nanuc

• Dekko
  Dekko does have multi-account support
  https://open-store.io/app/dekko2.dekkoproject

• GPS
  we have the feature, IDK how well it works, depends on device I guess, but wont be as accurate as Google.

• Nextcloud
  We have multiple apps for Nextcloud, we have a news app, notes app, calendar, and some others, however we have no full sync option, you cant for example sync your music folder to your nextcloud account.

• adblock
  We have a separate app for ad blocking, this means every ad in every app will be blocked however, it doesn't allow you to pick and choose which apps or websites get a free pass.
  https://open-store.io/app/uadblock.mariogrip

What doesnt work.

• Whatsapp
  There are only 3 ways to message people using whatsapp on Ubuntu Touch, but both require having whatsapp on a android or ios device. One way is by using a whatsapp webapp, which wont give you notifications, or you could set up a matrix bridge, which would give you notifications via fluffychat, but it'd cost you, and you'd have to set it up,

Theres also the option of anbox, but thats more of a future plan for android apps on Ubuntu Touch.
https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1676/development-testers-for-anbox

• Syncing
  we have no app that syncs/backups, this is partially due to background services and confinement not being flexible enough to allow for a syncing app in the OpenStore.

For device specifics, I couldn't tell you how well any of them work, I only have a OPO and OP3 running Ubuntu Touch.

@3arn0wl @andybleaden
The pinephone is very exciting in deed! I can't wait to actually try it out, its cheep enough for most people that they can grab one without worrying to much about their bottom line, as well which is great!

@andybleaden @Stefano
The OP3 port is looking amazing, cant wait to see it in the official installer, for anyone with a OP3 to easily install.
I think the OP5 is gonna be worked on after that, but I'm not sure since it's Vince's main device atm, and I believe that Treble is still an issue.

I'm a big fan of the OnePlus devices personally, and the more OnePlus devices with an ubuntu port, the better, I hope that Halium gets support for newer versions of android, so we can get a convergence OnePlus device with MHL out, but thats a distant future it seems.

@makeixo If you can get devs together to do that then sure, but the people porting these devices are volunteers, they're using phones they bought themselves, and phones they want to see Ubuntu Touch on.

People have busy lives, it only takes a new relationship, a change in job, or a new family member, for volunteering to become something they cant do, or have to strip back a lot.

Then there's also the fact that if we all came to a decision on what phone we should port to (Which is unlikely, because everyone has a different favorite device), then the volunteers would have to go out of there way to purchase said device, which may not be viable for many people.

Even with that considered, the community will also want a say, and people might want Ubuntu Touch to be ported to the OnePlus 7 Pro, or the Samsung galaxy 10 note, both which cant be ported to yet, because Halium doesn't support android 8/9 (not sure about android 7), but they might want Ubuntu touch ported to those devices, because they're high end, top of the line, phones, which ubuntu touch will fly on, and will be great convergence devices.

However, the community might also say that they want Ubuntu Touch ported to a wileyfox phone, or a cheaper huawei because the cheaper a device is, the easier it is for someone to purchase said devices.

Everyone is different, and everyone prefers different devices, for different reasons, and sometimes things will get started, and not finished, and thats just life, especially when you're dealing with volunteers.

This is absolutely amazing!

I know its not finished, but I do have a few suggestions.

• The weather widget asks for you to configure it, which is fine, however, some people wont want to have to sign up to get an API key, if someone wants the weather, they'll have to, but if they don't care about the weather app, it just looks a bit awkward, so it'd be nice to be able to remove it, which is part of my next suggestion.

• Customization, this launcher, makes me think of a more advanced version of the OnePlus swipe to the left launcher thing, you can move the widgets around to where ever you want, you can extend widgets, or make them smaller, you can add notes (For example the todo "scope" for lack of better term, could just be a widget on the home screen) you can even add media widgets for play and pausing media, its not necessary since you can do that in your indicator or notification menu, but some people do use widgets for this, so it'd be nice to be able to do that, so basically, the ability to have smaller versions of the "scopes" that have seperate pages" and more intractable widgets.

• Tapping on contacts faces, it flips over and quickly gives you a call or text option, depending on scale, this could be tricky to tap the right one accurately, in my opinion, I think tapping the contact should open the app its from, if the contact is from contacts, open that, if its from telegram, open the teleports app on that user, etc, and I think that if you long hold, it should then it should bring a pop up, like the one that you get from holding down on applications, with "Name" (which when tapped would take you to contacts) then select-able options (depending on what app they're from) would be SMS/Message, Call, Video Call, then another separator for removing from favorites.

• When you do hold down on a app, you get a pop up, which is good, but I think it'd be good to go with the same design as the one in the dock/launcher, which gives you options to unpin and the such.

• I personally am not a fan of the bottom bit of the UI, it's always there, and the pull up menu in my PO, doesn't look great, I think what would be nice, is if the menu with the little icons for scopes like home and the such, should auto hide, and then a small swipe up would bring it up, a longer swipe up would then bring up the "manage page" and the "configure launcher" icon/option would be in the top right of that page, right next to the + button.

• If you tap the title of a certain section such as "Favourite contacts" it would be nice if it expanded, this could be just to show all your favourite contacts on one screen, or to expand to show all of your contact, but your favourite are segregated to the top, like how the app scope used to, I think it's important from a UX standpoint that this is more of an expansion of the block then opening a new page, so for example, it could work like androids folders where you only see the first icon, you tap it, it expands outwards to show you the content of the folder.

Not quite a suggestion, but are there plans to try and bring more apps/sources in, like old scopes did? JW because I think the gallery scope where it had your pictures at the top, then pictures from your instagram feed, then under that was fb pictures, really helps customize your phone to you, and adds something new to look at every time you opened your phone.

This could be something that developers expand on with things like creating a reddit widget that will show you the latest few posts from your front page, or from a specific reddit sub-reddit, a homepage like this, would make it look uniquely Ubuntu Touch from a UI standpoint, but would make everyone's homescreen unique, interesting, and personal, which is something I loved about scopes.

Sorry if I'm going on to much, and overloading you guys with to many suggestions, I'm only giving so much feedback, because I love it, and am excited for this launchers future, because it looks so amazing, and I love it, and I'm really impressed with it!

This is some great work and you guys should be patting yourselves on the back, thank you for putting so much time and effort into it, its greatly appreciated!

P.S

I don't want ubuntu touch to mimic this UI/UX to much, however, it was a great launcher for Android, and you might get some inspiration for how to improve, or what features you could add to the launcher.

(I like the idea of a different background under the weather, date clock, and the idea of having a "profile picture" for your home screen even if it has little purpose other than personalization.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RperNarleYQ

I dont think we should use "Touch" in/as the name.
Ubuntu Touch was actually just Ubuntu, but people called it Ubuntu Touch because even though convergence was promised, we never got unity 8 to a good enough level to be default on the desktop, otherwise I believe we would have just called it Ubuntu.

We should look at current names of projects

• Android
• iOS
• Windows Phone
• CyanogenOS
• LineageOS

Personally I think we shouldn't have OS or Phone in the name either.
So looking at

• Android
• Sailfish
• Plasma
• Tizen
• FireFox

Desktop

• Ubuntu
• Mint
• Debian

What would sound good in this kind of area?
I don't know, but we'll have to figure something out sometime.

iOS has full disc encryption by default, Ubuntu Touch has no easy way to activate encryption, there is a way to encrypt your home folder using the terminal, but its coversome, we dont have PGP support in Dekko, nore do we have any encrypted messaging app.

Its true that we don't have extra things to spy on you, which iOS and Android do have, but we also don't have extra things to protect you, so as much as I'd love Ubuntu Touch to be the best OS for security, it's not ready for that label yet, when we get easy home encryption, and the ability to either message or email with encryption, then it'll be much closer to that future.

Just wanted to second Kaidan, its not perfect, no group chats, quite a few bugs, but its native qt, works on ubuntu touch, android and plasma mobile, so hopefully it'll gain more contributes.

@trainailleur said in PinePhone:

@PINE64 said in PinePhone:

@ricardo65 We'll have some announcements coming soon

So you're saying we should stand by for the 8GB/256GB Rockchip version?

8GB/256GB with a 1080p or 1440p screen would be so gosh darn nice, but I think that might be to dreamy! ;P

Here's some more context for signal with integration with other messengers.

https://matrix.org/blog/2020/01/02/on-privacy-versus-freedom

Syncing contacts with Nextcloud update?

Any update about updating qt versions?

Hows arm64 coming along?

@Aury88 I think that many devs in the openstore, link to things like Librepay, Patreon and coffee anyways, so I dont think its there own website, but I'm sure some people will be tricky.

I think that'd be one of the bigger benefits if openstore did have a payment option tho, you wouldn't have to sign up to loads of different websites to give money to devs which will be a sticking point for some people.

Like maybe I want to give money to the podbird developers, but do I want my info to go to ANOTHER website, especially if I'll only use it for that, then it might get hacked and I wont think about it or notice it because I used it once to donate to podbird?

@Benoit said in Paid proprietary apps on Open Store?:

So by proprietary, I only mean not open source

That's still confusing the point, why would you make payment's only open to proprietary app, but not to Open Source, GPL apps?

The suggestion in your post is that you should have an option to pay for proprietary apps, but not open source apps, however, I think if you make an open source, gpl, free software app, you should be allowed to charge for it via a store.

Perhaps you wont get much out of it, because someone could just fork it and put it up under a different name, but that's beside the point.

However in the openstore, we do have donation options for app developers, if you throw a few bones in there, then that'll promote the development of OSS on the platform, and if they use things like patreon, then you can use there monthly donations as a way to show that there is money in developing Ubuntu Touch apps.

however, this is going into a different argument, however, you can absolutely promote app development, via donations atm.

I would also like to see the option for paid Open source, GPL software and proprietary software at some point, but perhaps as flo said, there's more hurdles then previously thought.

Perhaps the future will hold some other solutions for us.

I think as others have said, you're mixing issues, many proprietary apps are completely free when it comes down to money, and many opensource apps ask for payment, I say many, I dont know to many, but I know they exist, I can use the example of Converstaions.

Conversations is a completely open source application, which if you wish to get the app on the google play store, will cost you £2.99 I believe, however, you could also compile it, or download it from f-droid for free.

The Ubuntu Store also had apps like ureadit which you could download for free, and ureadit(dev) which was about £2.99.

I think we should absolutely have it as an option in the openstore, I think how we deal with it with open source apps is a different thing, of cause you should be able to select if your app is free or charged for when you upload it to the store, but in ways of donations, or having free stable versions and paid beta versions, would have to be considered.

Theres also the question of, how that purchase would be carried over to your other linux distros, which use there own stores, and don't use click, for example, fluffychat is in the snap store, if the fluffychat team decided to charge, would a user have to pay twice, once for mobile and once for the snap store?

Qt 5.12?

@nobhobbor they are in the ubports installer, so it should be just as easy or hard to install on the OP3 as the OP1.

Though after the install, it is harder to use with the fact that there aren't to many arm64 apps available, there's no openstore, hopefully we'll get it in the not to distant future, but that's not got anything to do with installing the OS, but installing applications on the OS.

I'm assuming that's the miscommunication, however if I'm wrong then please correct me!

@ziggutas I had to reboot into the recovery again before it would send.

Now that we have arm64 builds in the ubports installer, it's a lot easier for people to install and test arm64 applications.

If anyone has any apps they'd like to be tested on arm64 please reply here with a file/link to a file.

This may also be a good place to talk about hurdles compiling apps for arm64.

Thanks you