Hey guys, I just need a little help
I'm looking for mine, do you know which one it is?
In the Q&A Dalton and Florian talked about some of the difficulties with summarizing a "this week in news".
So why don't we crowd source the news?
We could have a centralized document, be it on a eitherpad, nextcloud, or even Hackdb, it needs to be something that anyone can edit, but saves every change so that if someone does anything malicious we can just role it back.
Eitherpad is well used in the UBports community for notes so I think it might be a good idea to do this here.
Ideally it'd be sectioned off with core system updates, app updates, etc, and any news you do have to update us with, ideally it would have a title, quick to read, a description, and then a link to the source, for verification, or in-case of a possible misunderstanding.
I made a pad to give an idea of how it could look, this is a community thing so please contribute and we can try to make it as good as possible and create a good standard!
Its okay to ask questions, its okay to voice concerns, but damn, try and run Ubuntu Touch on a Nexus 5 running Linux 5.10, and Wayland, and you'll be in a much worse state then Ubuntu Touch on the PinePhone.
Like, you would have a brick if you tried to do anything like the PinePhone with the Nexus 5 because its probably more than double the amount of work, but also, its very dismissive of all the actual work that people like Dalton have put into the project, like, maybe you have to have a good eye, but everyone works extremely hard on the Ubuntu Touch project, and UBports has put in a HUGE amount of effort to support the PinePhone, more effort has absolutely been put into the PinePhone than the Nexus 5 by the core team.
I dont know if you realize this, but its rare that the Nexus 5, OPO, FairPhone, even OP3 get device specific updates, a lot of the time, they get ported, and then left alone until something breaks them, or there's something that hasn't worked for a while and someones just decided to work on it for a bit.
Anyways the whole team needs a break, they all need time off, a good week or so time of rest, to do whatever be that bowling, going for walks, just sleeping, watching movies, or playing video games, they deserve a lot for what they do and have been able to do, and the amount of work thats gone into the PinePhone is, well, commendable!
Personally I'm not a big fan of the idea, to me it seems far to android-y.
I like Ubuntu touch because it's Ubuntu touch, and I like it's personality.
I don't mind some ideas, but I do much prefer the style of homepage that I've seen before.
I'll try and find it, but it looked a bit like the today scope, except only had the weather and some apps.
Personally, I think the homescreen would be nice if it you could edit a bit more, if you could have your weather, your row of apps, your row of music or friends or what ever you want, but I think it needs to keep the unique feel, I think if it wants to, it can be a bit more KDE or gnome inspired.
There's a Android launcher which basically adds the windows 10 start button to your phone, I don't mind it, as it feels decent to me, but it's just windows 10 styled, I think we would be better imitating that, as it seems more like our kind of feeling than Android default.
Another problem I see, is that you swipe from the left to get your launcher, then you pull it all the way to get home, then you pull down from the bottom to access all apps.
The app draw means, you pull it from left to right slightly, you have your pinned apps, you pull it more and you have all your apps.
It's quicker and more responsive, it might not be editable at the moment, but my opinion is that, you've got the coding skills, I bet you could make the app draw look and feel amazing and add new ability's to it, and make it keep it in the feeling and style of Ubuntu touch.
That's just my opinion on the matter.
Now that we have arm64 builds in the ubports installer, it's a lot easier for people to install and test arm64 applications.
If anyone has any apps they'd like to be tested on arm64 please reply here with a file/link to a file.
This may also be a good place to talk about hurdles compiling apps for arm64.
Did someone say pinephone?! How is the progress with the pinephone? What things will be fixed, or will still be broken when we move to the new kernel?
With qt 5.12 and the Lomiri work with manjaro, will we see more cross platform app development? Will we see more click apps on the manjaro base, will we see more plasma apps on Ubuntu Touch, etc, or will there still be to many differences, such as Ubuntus life cycle, and that some kde apps (neochat for example) and Manjaro using qt 5.15, and different package management on different platforms?
Are there efforts between different projects, to try and minimise fragmentation?
What we have:
Theres a beta app called axolotl, which allows conversations over the signal protocal
Dekko does have multi-account support
we have the feature, IDK how well it works, depends on device I guess, but wont be as accurate as Google.
We have multiple apps for Nextcloud, we have a news app, notes app, calendar, and some others, however we have no full sync option, you cant for example sync your music folder to your nextcloud account.
We have a separate app for ad blocking, this means every ad in every app will be blocked however, it doesn't allow you to pick and choose which apps or websites get a free pass.
What doesnt work.
Theres also the option of anbox, but thats more of a future plan for android apps on Ubuntu Touch.
For device specifics, I couldn't tell you how well any of them work, I only have a OPO and OP3 running Ubuntu Touch.
But people usually use the back camera more...
On a Tablet?
I don't think most people go around taking photos with there tablets, I think people want better front cameras, because on a tablet you're more likely to use it, when you're video calling family or friends, you know.
If I remember right, it's a know bug for 20.04 OTA-1 devices that video playback isn't working correct (even for youtube)
Im using the FP4 with 20.04 devel and yewtu.be doesnt work, which leads me to beleive that codex are still a problem on current ubuntu touch 20.04 images.
@arubislander I think OTG is a bit more complex than that, I've tried using hubs before that work fine with some devices.
Look at USB-C audio for example, that doesn't work on ubuntu touch, but the volume up and down buttons work.
There's oddities with these configurations, sadly.
Waydroid is a luxury in my view, a nice to have, but why when you can buy a cheap smartphone off eBay and have all your apps for banking etc that won't work with UT or Waydroid
I want to use Ubuntu Touch, and Waydroid for me is a crutch, until we get more native apps.
I'd rather not need to use Waydroid, but if you give me the choice between using Waydroid, or buy another cheap phone, for my personal app usage, to be able to use signal, or whatever, obviously, the cheaper, more private, more convenient option is what I'm going to choose.
Your comments seem to go back on themselves.
I am personally not bothered about data scraping and so on
If that's the case, why bother saying
UT is to get away from Google, Apple, Huawei, Samsung, Xiaomi and the like that all want your data for tracking and ads
Why do you keep saying you need android because there isn't ubuntu touch versions of the apps, but ask people why they would even bother with waydroid?
You seem to imply that you should only use Ubuntu Touch as a daily driver if you want privacy, but if you want privacy, then there are much more secure android roms, with full disc encryption, ability's to stop data transfer if you lose VPN connections, a way to make all your apps use the TOR network.
You say thanks and say that you appreciate the work, and you keep saying "in my personal opinion" and all that, which is fine, but then it appears that that if an idea or use-case doesn't fit into your perspective, then you question it, and push the solutions to the side, and I personally feel like that pushes away from people who want to make the project better for there cases, its especially dismissing if it's worded like fud, many banking, traveling agency's etc, have a website, which will work fine on Ubuntu Touch, you can easily use signal, whatsapp, instagram, facebook messenger, etc on Ubuntu Touch, using waydroid or there website, and they work fine, you can say "They don't work as well on Ubuntu Touch because waydroid xyz issues" but it's really dismissive to say "Oh you can't message people on instagram" when the browser app is right there, and you can install the APK easily, ok you wont have notifications, but saying "I struggle to use instagram on ubuntu touch because I dont get notifications properly" is a very different and none dismissive alternative to "I cant message people on instagram using ubuntu touch"
You seem to dismiss any arguments which state that you can do something, with "maybe you can't" and "but why would you?" but then you're telling us how you place your value, by coming up with an issue, it being solved for you, and when it's solved, just dismissing it with a "why would you even want to?", and then continuing to say that you can't do the thing that we just solved, because it's done in a none-ideal way.
If Waydroid isn't for you thats fine, and if your solution of keeping android as your daily is your solution, that's fine, I don't see people constantly asking you why you would that, when you could do something else, and thats because people weigh preferences differently and have different needs and wants, but just because its not your preference, doesn't mean other people think the same way as you, or have your preferences, yes ubuntu touch can have its inconveniences, but people use it despite that for a reason, and it's not just to get away from Apple and Google.
If you are generally asking why you would use waydroid on your preferred OS you want to use daily, over wasting money, time, convenience and a bit of your privacy to use a OS you don't like, by buying a cheap android phone, then I and others have given you a few reasons, so please stop asking the same question.
if you want Ubuntu Touch on your device, why look at running basically an Android Virtual Machine on it to run apps that scrape your data and may work and may not?
Android phone for daily use
If you beg to escape Google so much, the fact your daily driver is an android phone, bewilders me.
Especially since you don't see the use in a container running android, and dismiss it.
If you're using full android you have all the spyware you fear, all the time, if you're using waydroid, by default you get de-googled android, in which you can add google apps, these apps are in the waydroid container, so if you take lots of photos on your phone, the facebook or instagram, or whatever app you're using on waydroid, will not see them, and when you're traveling, and don't want to be tracked by those services, you can close waydroid, which will stop those apps from being able to run in the background, meaning you can have a phone, text, call, browse the web, etc, without the google, or Facebook.
I just don't see the perspective of "Hey if you use waydroid and install a android app like instagram, then you're getting spied on when you have waydroid open, and God forbid that, instead, just carry around another phone with spyware you can't turn off, on constantly"
even just having the app work so I can change from the default theme that it likes to after being disconnected for so long, would be nice
You can't do that yet because the Pebble won't properly connect to the phone yet. It won't stay connected for long enough to use RockWork at all.
Oh that is a speedy disconnect.
I'm happy to help test the Focal version when there's a click of it
That's hard for now because the Pebble doesn't yet stay connected to bluetooth on Focal. But this should be solvable once @TheVancedGamer gets his Pebble and can debug. As you see it's not just a prize for him, it's a prize for all of us.
Maybe so, however, even just having the app work so I can change from the default theme that it likes to after being disconnected for so long, would be nice, can't wait to see it working nicely, with notifications, and song skipping etc!
@kugiigi Some of these are crazy cool, you should consider upstreaming some of them, things like the transparent indicator bar could be added to the settings, and would be useful to a lot of people, there may be questions of implementation, or stability, but some a lot of those features you've worked on, are incredible, and would make the core ubuntu touch system so much nicer.
I'm happy to help test the Focal version when there's a click of it, if you wish!