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      domubpkm @Hugehead
      last edited by 28 Aug 2023, 16:59

      @Hugehead said in Ubuntu Touch Q&A 123 call for questions:

      i felt like UT is kind of dead

      My understanding is this: UT is far from dead but the general development process of focal is very complex and young (on the scale of computer development). Generally, many problem solving generates other problems: it is a balance to be found. In addition to this, there are different particularities depending on each smartphone, which complicates things a little more.

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        Mario.CH
        last edited by 28 Aug 2023, 19:41

        Servus to all programmers,

        I would also like to take this opportunity to thank you for the work you have done. :clapping_hands_light_skin_tone: πŸ€—

        After the intensive work, for the deadline fair deployments to the Vollaphones, my question:
        What is the status around the Bluez stack?

        Flohack wrote just under a year ago
        30. Sept. 2022, 21:46 @flohack said in Current RC has bad bluetooth on Op5t:
        
        Well we upgraded Bluez stack to 5.53 -- that might be the reason. We would need some more debug infos here. Unfortunately I will not hold off the OTA for this now, we are 2 months late and need to ship what we have. And we alread have issues with contacts, as soon as they are solved we put this into stable.
        We can investigate the issue in parallel.
        
        and
         6. Okt. 2022, 22:00 @flohack said in Current RC has bad bluetooth on Op5t:
        @moem Honestly I do not see what we can do other than to roll back to old Bluez, and disappointing the owners that tested already devices that work now, but never did before with UT. If this is what we should do, then we do it. But unless it breaks on all devices the benefits would outweigh the negative impacts
        

        I imagine that many UT users (like me) will finally want to pay the long overdue next donation when the Bluetooth connection to make hands-free calls in the car will finally work. It is simply a safety concern. :winking_face:

        With kind regards
        Mario

        Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

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          arubislander @Mario.CH
          last edited by arubislander 29 Aug 2023, 04:44

          @Mario-CH said in Ubuntu Touch Q&A 123 call for questions:

          I imagine that many UT users (like me) will finally want to pay the long overdue next donation when ...

          I couldn't help reacting to this. I understand you are saying this somewhat in jest, but it exposes a common misconception about donations (and one that I have also fallen for from time to time.)

          Donations, by their very nature, should not be seen as reward to a project for work done, but as a way to support the work being done at the moment.
          While donating doesn't guarantee your issue will be addressed, withholding your donation until some features that is important to you is implemented or fixed will definitely not make that happen any quicker.

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            Hugehead @Keneda
            last edited by Hugehead 29 Aug 2023, 08:34

            @Keneda

            I did not mean to downgrade the work of anybody. I am not a developer and am not following specific MR or anything. Call me a USER πŸ˜‰ I have my Oneplus here, no Fairphone or other devices to test - which i am struggling with for weeks and have no clue how to solve.
            The 20.04 process in general is years behind* and there was no Q&A for many months, which gave me the feeling that there wasnt going on a lot and has been the reason i kindly asked for an Q&A.

            To get a proper feeling of whats going on i asked also here to get an overview in the Q&A.

            Sorry, if I bothered anyone.

            *the 20.04 was mentioned in one Q&A as "maybe" christmas present, which is a long time ago already.

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              Mario.CH @arubislander
              last edited by 29 Aug 2023, 18:13

              Dear Arubislander
              and Lakotaubp, DenMoore, Alan_g und Moem

              With respect, we should be happy and thankful for each and every donor.πŸ€”
              Instead of rebuking them for what reasons they have to donate.

              With warm regards
              Mario

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                mark1250
                last edited by 29 Aug 2023, 20:08

                I recently discovered the droidian project which is also using libhybris and halium. Is there any collaboration between Ubuntu Touch and Droidian.

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                  A Former User @Aury88
                  last edited by 29 Aug 2023, 21:31

                  @Aury88 Well I made a thread at: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/9292/bluetooth-gamepad-controller-support I got time but if the topic can find answer I'll be less anoying, sorry!

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                    Josele13 @Mario.CH
                    last edited by 30 Aug 2023, 09:06

                    @Mario-CH I don't see the writing as a reprimand, but nobody will know if you donate for one reason or another, if you like this project do what you have to do, there are many who don't donate because it's better to have two beers.

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                      lduboeuf
                      last edited by 30 Aug 2023, 10:17

                      Thanks for bringing Q&A again πŸ™‚

                      What is the status of Maliit 2 integration to UT ?

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                        A Former User @Guest
                        last edited by 30 Aug 2023, 13:36

                        @Ottis I realized that this post wasent entended to me. Sorry I'm new!

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                          A Former User @Guest
                          last edited by 30 Aug 2023, 13:39

                          @Ottis https://forums.ubports.com/topic/9292/bluetooth-gamepad-controller-support

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                            Keneda @Hugehead
                            last edited by 30 Aug 2023, 13:42

                            @Hugehead
                            Please make a new thread in OP6 subforum to talk about your issues and get support.
                            We are off topic here now ^^

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                              arubislander @Mario.CH
                              last edited by arubislander 30 Aug 2023, 15:53

                              @Mario-CH Far be it from me to tell anyone how and when to spend their money. I was simply pointing out an inconsistency in the expressed logic.

                              Say a potential donor would make their donation depend on a specific feature that might need some other seemingly unrelated but very labor intensive work to be done first. It is quite possible that work might need funding to get done. But that will not happen because the funding is being held up by the absence of the aforementioned dependent feature. A chicken and egg situation in which (in)action of the donor is unwittingly making it less likely that their desired feature will be developed.

                              Also, I am sure the project is extremely thankful for any actual donation, whenever, and for whatever reason it is given.
                              But what you, in effect, are demanding is gratitude for the mere expression of intent to donate.

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                                Keneda @UBportsNews
                                last edited by Keneda 30 Aug 2023, 17:49

                                @UBportsNews
                                Any news on partnership with Fairphone, like if/when/where (for instance Murena) FP4 will be available for purchase in an Ubuntu Touch Edition ?

                                Optional, and maybe really too soon, would you, and Fairphone, be willing for a partnership also for FP5 ? (It's not a "will you port to device" question, I'm sure FP5 will be ported soon or later ☺️ )

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                                  last edited by 30 Aug 2023, 19:38

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                                    Mario.CH @Josele13
                                    last edited by 30 Aug 2023, 20:23

                                    Hi @Josele13,

                                    Well, in my first post (on the Q&A) I actually only asked one question. And I tried to explain why this seems important to me. In doing so, I held out the prospect of a bonus in the form of a further donation.
                                    Therefore I saw myself in the situation of an insinuation.

                                    It should also be borne in mind that the English language is desired in the forum, and many in the community have a different mother tongue. The moderators should actually take misunderstandings into account, especially with sensitive topics.

                                    I must admit that I could not write that the specific function I wanted would be worth a bonus donation.

                                    Greetings Mario

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                                      Mario.CH @arubislander
                                      last edited by Mario.CH 30 Aug 2023, 20:27

                                      Hi @arubislander ,

                                      Sorry, I am faced with another insinuation.

                                      My first post was only about the status request for the things with the Bluez Stack, because I'm interested. With the details of my reasons for a functioning Bluetooth. I have already donated a higher amount after the successful installation of UT in 2020.
                                      Unfortunately, I can't afford to choose among my various donations for "open source projects" which I don't want to use. So it has to have a benefit for me, and I don't find that reprehensible.

                                      In my profession (assembler for machine mechanic, CNC), you can't avoid planning the work accurately and setting milestones, because different professions are involved (manufacturing and assembling machine components, electrical engineering, programming the operating control and others). So we need a plan, which can also be rough at the beginning. We can't just start and then realise - Oh, that has an impact on other things.
                                      That is, from my point of view, the reason why I am making a status request, because I am interested in where we are now after the increase to Focal Fossa 20.04.

                                      @arubislander said in Ubuntu Touch Q&A 123 call for questions:

                                      But what you, in effect, are demanding is gratitude for the mere expression of intent to donate.

                                      You are insinuating that I demand gratitude. This must be a misunderstanding, because I just wanted to explain to you that it makes no sense to judge why someone donates, if you accept the donation, you say thank you in our country.

                                      Greetings Mario

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                                        arubislander @Mario.CH
                                        last edited by 30 Aug 2023, 20:36

                                        @Mario-CH said in Ubuntu Touch Q&A 123 call for questions:

                                        I am faced with another insinuation.

                                        I started by acknowledging that you might have meant it in jest, but that the sentiment was worth addressing nonetheless.
                                        Neither did I insinuate that you did not donate anything in the past or would not in the future.

                                        But yes, let us call it all a misunderstanding due to the language barrier and leave it at that then.

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                                          Josele13 @Mario.CH
                                          last edited by 30 Aug 2023, 21:13

                                          @Mario-CH ok I understand you, here there are people from many countries and we can not speak in all languages, I speak Spanish and although I know English (medium) I use the translator a lot, sometimes you want to put words that the translator can change,
                                          regards...

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                                            DenMoore @UBportsNews
                                            last edited by 31 Aug 2023, 06:44

                                            @UBportsNews I was wondering what the path/procedure is for ports to end up on the UBports installer ie the PinePhone/PineTab2 focal port? Cheers

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