Thanks, I dug out a usb-c to display port cable from my stash. This connection makes it choose 2560x1440x60Hz, not bad.

Somewhat I expected the update to Noble in June, either it got delayed or I misinterpreted something.

For me the desktop works good enough so far. Indeed some native UT apps don't accept mouse scroll, but it's ok to just click and drag the scrollbar.

I haven't experienced any launcher issues. When disconnecting the monitor it takes about 1-2 min to make the phone react. Sometimes it asks if I'd prefer to reconnect or potentially loose unsaved data from apps listed on the popup. The only launcher issue I have is with waydroid apps showing up in the drawer. I would prefer this to show only one icon to start android, the android apps should be managed only by android launcher.

So overall it looks very promising. If only I could find a dock which would let me connect everything via one cable.

but sharing about overall experience, I'm really happy with FP5. It works flawlessly with my 4k monitor and docking station. I can just plug it and use from mouse/keyboard/monitor. That's just awesome. FP4 was probably working similarly with FHD but I don't have any low resolution screen anymore, so I never tested it (I just can confirm that it couldn't drive 4k resolution).

I just hope FP7 will have fully fictional USB-C again (as FP6 allows only charging, no docking capabilities!!!)

@wally Yes, I was adjusting the edges in UI tweaks. However as I stated in other thread I never liked swype OS navigation.

Expanding the subject, I also don't like touch OS navigation. Touch screens register the touch "without my consent", i.e. when I just grab the phone. That's wrong, but it's been like that since the beginning of all mobile OSes. I'd love to see an option to enable touch-and-confirm input where you touch and have to swype a bit immediately to make the original touch point registered as touch, otherwise it's meaningless

@kugiigi said in Things which made me postpone buying another phone to try linux:

About the keyboard, not sure why your experience is like that. Lomiri, the system UI, supports keyboard navigation. It literally exists on desktop distros now and quite usable. Bluetooth can be wonky though so it's probably that.

That's interesting, how do you switch apps with keyboard for example? I've tried Alt+Tab, Super+Tab, Ctrl+Tab, with keyboard in Win/Mac/Android mode. Navigation was only possible with mouse, steering to the right edge of the screen the touch task switcher was triggered.

PS. I remember your reply about the experimental gestures from my earlier thread. In the end I didn't test it. Actually this remands me of a "gesture app" from a custom Android rom (perhaps it was in last Cyanogenmod) where it was possible to define your own gestures, for example swyping a Z, S, L, / , , O, 8 shape and attach it to an action or an app shortcut. IIRC it had to be one stroke shape, which was smoothed out to something simpler so you didn't have to swype it perfectly each time. That one was really handy.

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This feedback was about things rarely or never brought up. Usually people ask around for banking app support or app availability in general, OS stability, battery life. Things like these are either assumed as given and then comes disappointment, or it falls into 'not my use case' category.

I hope I helped people for whom it matters with OS choice decision, likewise gave an opportunity to consider improvements in these areas. As a software developer and Linux user I planned to address those things in some spare time. At this moment, no more having the phone, I'm not sure. I'll probably buy another FP if, and only if, I'll have the spare time ahead I'd want to spend on tinkering with the code.

I've seen the other thread 'Edge Cases'. That's a great initiative. IMO there are only 2 two things which make people move back to Android:

1. Bugs, i.e. OS stability
2. Limitations
   a - daily app availability (most likely more than half of the users would have to carry around a second Android/IOS phone)
   b - OS functionality limitations, like the things I listed in my first post
   c - hardware limitation, For me FP 5 hardware is more than I need, not lacking anything except the camera, where it lacks terribly. The Android OS camera app post process the pictures heavily so it gets them a bit better, but overall it's all very basic/mediocre to the point that I'd love to shed another $200 for a good class camera replacement, but Fairphone doesn't offer anything.

Hi there, please note this post is very subjective and it's not meant to criticize all the work around UBports.

It all started with the desire to have a pocket device for everything - a true meaning of a smartphone. The hardware in an average phone nowadays fits the purpose perfectly, but not the OS, so a few months ago I've bought Fairphone 4 just to unlock it and flash some Linux, but eventually I upgraded to Fairphone 5 only to use it for a short time before I lost it.

so things which I was really missing every day:

1. Convenient UI navigation

The swype gesture navigation is really bad. I bet that someone who designed it never actually used it (kind of reminds me Windows 8 start menu design flop). It's just impossible to do swypes from left and right of the screen holding the phone with one hand - and that's a mobile phone UI!

I have no idea why this hasn't been fixed so far, but all in all I'd be happy with using some accessibility "magic ball" to configure whatever tap-shortcut actions I need instead of any swype guestures. That's my idea to work on

2. External keyboard

I though that USB keyboards are not supported so I even bought a BT keyboard, only to discover that the UI doesn't support them, only the apps. It's impossible to navigate the system with external keyboard, triggering the start menu, switching between apps, etc, etc. It's only possible to input text into apps, for example notepad or terminal

3. External display

It's not possible to select only external display, the phone screen will always be active as a virtual touch pad.

It' snot possible to select DPI for external display. Every time the UI Tweak app restarts Lomiri, it comes back with default scaling.

Likewise it's not possible to select resolution for external display. Fairphone 4 detected 4k screen but served only half-width desktop image (I guess the chip can't really drive full 4k resolution) so everything was horribly stretched on the screen.

4. No desktop, or advanced user install mode

So the OS is very limited in terms of apps, but on the same time is very restricted. The only way to use desktop apps is via Libertine (containers). I would very much prefer to have a normal desktop Linux experience when connected to external monitor, keyboard and mouse. Mobile UI and app restriction is only fine for "mobile mode"

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bottom line, these are a deal-breakers for me, therefore I'm not rushing to buy a new phone, but I'll keep watching Linux phone space, and maybe even find some time to contribute to have thing I want

@fredldotme Nice, though I just logged in to say that I can't test it anytime around. I've lost the phone. It's been a few days so I have no hope getting it back by a chance.

I've been thinking in the meantime and decided I'll rather not buy another one anytime soon. I'm still interested in using Ubuntu touch but there are points to address before I'd be happy with it, so I might try to help solving them in VM (or just wait if eventually these got solved...). For now I've set price alerts in my favorite shops, hoping to catch next nice discount

@gpatel-fr I meant Android 15 image in Waydroid

@kugiigi Fairphone 5, waydroid 15 (android 15)

I've tried a native radio app from open store, it doesn't have the issue, but I guess it's a web based app as you've said.

I'm trying to use GPS tracking app in waydroid, but the recording is very coarse, like half of the resolution when the app is run on a native Android. Eventually I noticed that the recording is good if I keep the HUD (the app) always on.

I suspected that it's something with throttling waydroid when the screen is off. I found a perfect way to prove that, by playing internet radio in waydroid. When I turn off the screen, the music keeps playing fine for a short while, then start chopping a little bit, then starts much longer pauses, like 1-2 seconds long.

I can see that the battery is drained fast when using the app in waydroind with screen on, but if I'm ok with the battery drain, are there some advanced settings to stop the throttling when the screen is off?

There is an app "waydroid freezer", but it let me do only the opposite

but sharing about overall experience, I'm really happy with FP5. It works flawlessly with my 4k monitor and docking station. I can just plug it and use from mouse/keyboard/monitor. That's just awesome. FP4 was probably working similarly with FHD but I don't have any low resolution screen anymore, so I never tested it (I just can confirm that it couldn't drive 4k resolution).

I just hope FP7 will have fully fictional USB-C again (as FP6 allows only charging, no docking capabilities!!!)

I've been playing with Ubuntu on the new FP5, guess what, It's better in any corner. Surprisingly now I don't have so much negative feeling about the gestures, it just works. Of course there's still the same dubious question what to do to reach the other hand of the screen with one hand... but if you're using it right-handed and already have all the apps running it's sufficient as it let you switch between them. On FP4 the gesture was somewhat hyper sensitive, was just misbehaving, for example whenever I took out the phone with one hand, then wanted to scroll through the content the task switcher was taking over instead of moving the content up or down, and that was even when I set gesture margin to absolute minimum. On FP5 I don't experience this issue, but my first feeling was "there screen is recessed in the body of the phone", there's an edge layer higher than the screen in FP5, FP4 body was perfectly aligned with the glass surface.

PS. the monitor confirms 4k 60Hz, even in YT 4k video there's no dropped fame (in stats for nerds popup)

FP5 arrived. I didn't flash Ubuntu on it yet, but just first touch of the hardware somewhat confirms the above statement about gestures. In android it's kind of gesture-unresponsive when woken up, for some time, then it seems to kick in full power and becomes blazing fast. Weird, but it really seems like some kind of power management