Clarification for future readers of this post that might be considering Ubuntu Touch in Canada: All 3 major Canadian networks have stated that they're maintaining 3G until December 2025. Different story in the USA, where at different points in 2022, the major networks discontinued 3G.

In Canada, Ubuntu Touch is very much usable as a phone. Telephone calls, SMS, MMS photos, audio, and video all work as expected for me. (Group texts do not, and MMS has caused me plenty of headaches in general, though I think I've got a stable setup now.)

Hopefully VOLTE can work soon. I'm much too inept to be of use in that quest other than to keep donating to UBports and crossing my fingers. My enduring gratitude to those working to make UT better. It's already improved considerably since I started using it in late 2020.

Cool! Thanks for the demos, nice to see your progress! This is going to be very useful.
Thanks so much for all your work!

I'm curious how the foundation works. How many employees are there? Does money for the foundation mostly go to paid workers, or to things like hosting costs?

Would more money coming in mean more coders be hired? And is this desired, or is the general preference to keep it mostly community/volunteer based?

Thank you!

Hi pals, two questions:

1. Has anyone heard from a company called SageTea, who "makes" something called the Xfone? Do they contribute to Ubports in any way, or just sell phones that they load with Ubuntu Touch?

2. Are you all aware that there are wild standing ovations going on all over the place when, for example, Marius talks of progress on VoLTE and 5G, Alfred talks of WebKit and Snaps progress, AppLee bravely starts hosting a Q&A show solo, Lionel revamps Contacts, etc? Often you announce very major things and I hope you know how enthusiastically they are received. Thanks a lot for what you do!

Thanks @AppLee, for the reply and for all your work!

Hi all,
At some point I read that some of the money that the UBports Foundation gets may go to providing phones to developers if needed.
Many of us have an old UT-capable device or two around, and many of us non-devs would like to contribute more to the project. To my mind, if there are any aspiring devs out there who might not be able to afford or find a viable phone for UT where they are, getting them a phone is important!
Does it seem feasible and worthwhile for me to try to set up a way for aspiring devs to request a phone and for existing UT users to donate one?

Thanks a zillion for all your work, and for hosting these cheery Q&As!

For real, Nreal, the folks who do the work on UT are heroic. It makes me want to learn to code.
I'd never owned a cellphone before 2020, and I was just astounded that there was a non spyware OS that worked so well. I'm still astounded that buying an appropriate used phone and switching to UT isn't MUCH more common.

Also, that's great news re: cross-app communication. On behalf of the world, thanks to the EU for continuing to enact legislation that many non-EU members wind up benefitting from (death to proprietary chargers). Hopefully the future is Matrix.

Hey @shodan,
Welcome to the community!
I wouldn't give up on the phones you got just yet. After a quick bit of searching, I can't find any such phone as a Oneplus N10 Metro. I don't know much about these things, but could the device be locked to a cell carrier called Metro, and maybe that's coming up in the installer? In searching for a Oneplus N10 Metro, I noticed there's a cell company in the USA called Metro that seems to supply Oneplus N10. Sometimes a device is locked to a carrier, but often it is possible to unlock it. May be worth searching online for how to unlock the phone from Metro? But again, I'm really not sure this is the case.

Also, I see that you have Android 11 installed. In the device page for the OP N10, if you scroll down a ways, it states that you'll need to be using a specific version, Oxygen 10.5.7 or something. The system image or whatever you call it is conveniently linked from the device page. You'll need to download that file and install that version of android before installing Ubuntu Touch.

The other main thing you'll need to do , probably before downgrading, is unlock the bootloader. Search online for how. Takes a bit of doing, but it's all doable.

General installation instructions for Ubuntu Touch are found on the installer page.

Hope it turns out that your devices are what you thought they were, and useable for UT!

Wow! Very cool! Good video demo - your app looks very functional already. Copying folders will be a nice addition. Looking forward to using!
Merci bien!

This is a little off where the topic has gotten to, but a quick note:
MMS has always worked independently of wifi on/off for me. On Oneplus 1, 5, and 5T, 16.04 and 20.04, MMS sends and receives with wifi connected. I've heard some others say the same on the forum.

2024-W45 is working just fine for me on a Oneplus 5. SMS, MMS, data, vibration and wireless display via Miracast all working as normal.

Thanks as ever to the devs for their hard work!

@peat_psuwit Thanks for clarifying. I hadn't figured that out from reading through the issue. Just wanted to make sure it was known.
Keep up the good work! Thank you

This is a little off where the topic has gotten to, but a quick note:
MMS has always worked independently of wifi on/off for me. On Oneplus 1, 5, and 5T, 16.04 and 20.04, MMS sends and receives with wifi connected. I've heard some others say the same on the forum.

2024-W45 is working just fine for me on a Oneplus 5. SMS, MMS, data, vibration and wireless display via Miracast all working as normal.

Thanks as ever to the devs for their hard work!

Hey @shodan,
Welcome to the community!
I wouldn't give up on the phones you got just yet. After a quick bit of searching, I can't find any such phone as a Oneplus N10 Metro. I don't know much about these things, but could the device be locked to a cell carrier called Metro, and maybe that's coming up in the installer? In searching for a Oneplus N10 Metro, I noticed there's a cell company in the USA called Metro that seems to supply Oneplus N10. Sometimes a device is locked to a carrier, but often it is possible to unlock it. May be worth searching online for how to unlock the phone from Metro? But again, I'm really not sure this is the case.

Also, I see that you have Android 11 installed. In the device page for the OP N10, if you scroll down a ways, it states that you'll need to be using a specific version, Oxygen 10.5.7 or something. The system image or whatever you call it is conveniently linked from the device page. You'll need to download that file and install that version of android before installing Ubuntu Touch.

The other main thing you'll need to do , probably before downgrading, is unlock the bootloader. Search online for how. Takes a bit of doing, but it's all doable.

General installation instructions for Ubuntu Touch are found on the installer page.

Hope it turns out that your devices are what you thought they were, and useable for UT!

Well, I'm glad you have a fix, but it sure sounds painful. Wish someone had been able to find a simpler way.
Hopefully this thread at least helps others with similar issues.

@ezst036 Sorry to hear those things haven't worked. I assume that if restarting nuntium didn't fix the problem, it's just a different issue than I was having.

I hope you're able to resolve it somehow without a full backup and re-install. I presume that in the past when this has happened to you, flashing without wiping data didn't fix the issue?

@arubislander
That's a really helpful tip, for me and no doubt for others. Thanks a lot!

@ezst036 Can I ask what device you're using? Mine's a Oneplus 5/5T. It did seem like a number of other people had struggles with MMS on these devices, including some where it worked and then would suddenly stop working.

In case it's useful, here's what I used to do before I found the nuntium command. I have no idea whether it's all needed, but this fix also worked reliably, the restart nuntium command was just a lot faster.

"I have a weird process that fixes it, some of which is probably unnecessary/superstition: I change my MMS APN to something incorrect, disable MMS, restart phone, correct the MMS APN, enable MMS again, restart phone again, and then it works."

full post in
in https://forums.ubports.com/topic/8145/mms-status-on-the-oneplus-5-cheeseburger/3

@ezst036

Except, when I type in that command or just when I type in initctl I get:

bash: initctl: command not found

Whoops indeed. Looks like that command doesn't exist in 20.04. Sorry for the bad advice, I'm still running 16.04 on my daily driver, as I have some need for video calls.
I wonder if there's a way to get that command back. After a quick bit of searching I tried "apt-install upstart" without success.

wouldn't this nuntium be restarted if I do a phone shutdown or reboot?

I would have thought so too, but I had this problem many times, far more often than once every six months. Restarting/shutting down never fixed it, and that command always did.

I lack technical knowledge, and really just poked at things a bunch without always understanding. Lionel knows 1000 times more than me and has actually worked on a bunch of this stuff, so please defer to his advice over mine. I just happen to have had the same (or a similar sounding) issue as you.
Before I discovered that terminal command, I did have a more convoluted fix, which I'll go look for.

Here's something to try. I can't say whether it will definitely fix things, but it's quick and it won't break anything.

Open Terminal
type "initctl --user restart nuntium"

It should return something like "nuntium start/running, process " and then a short string of digits.

I used to have an identical sounding issue, occurring unpredictably, every so often. Wheel spinning forever on outgoing MMS, nothing to indicate an incoming MMS even happened. For me the above fix always worked.
I never figured out what made the problem happen, or how to know when it HAD happened besides manually testing. I always worried a client had texted me without me knowing.
It hasn't happened since I changed cell providers, and it's now been long enough that I think it just doesn't happen any more.

This may be provider specific, but I'm able to text photos to myself, which was always a good test of whether or not things were working.

Thanks @ikoz, that saved me a lot of time.
Installed, ran and performed successfully on my Oneplus 5T running 20.04 stable channel.
Bravo!!