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  Language packs as click packages: call to arms!
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  @dobey said in Language packs as click packages: call to arms!: @mardy Are we discussing language packs as clicks, or a more general solution to "what apps are installed by default" when flashing a phone? Because those seem like two separate things, and we should not use one of them as a reason to do another thing (or to not do some other different thing instead), I think. I'm not using one as a reason to do the other, but rather I'm explaining how I imagine this evolving into, to convince you that we can get a nice user experience even with selectable language packs. I also disagree with the idea of anecdotal argumentation of well, it's a waste in the rootfs for me, so why should it be there for others. I think it would be best to not go down this route. There are plenty of things in the rootfs which are meaningless for me too. And what I'm suggesting is that, if those things could easily be installed as clicks, and if doing so would save a considerable amount of space, then it's something we might want to try out. It's a question on whether it's worth the effort. I did start with language packs because I thought that it would be an easy pick, since they are data-only. And so far it looks like it's something easily doable. [...] Maybe having langpacks is something we will need to do in the future. But I think right now, we should not rush into this as a solution to the problems we have, as there are plenty of larger concerns at the moment. And if we rush into it, we will be stuck for a long time, even if we discover some other solutions to whatever problem this is meant to solve, instead. I'm not requesting that people spend their time on this. If @bhdouglass told me that he has no time to review the changes I'll eventually submit to the Open Store, then I certainly wouldn't force him, but it looks like he likes the idea as well. And I'll try not to rush: I do want to see a good implementation of this (especially because, as I said, I plan to apply a similar scheme for navigation data, later on). Could I spend my time in a better way? Probably, but I'm doing this as a hobby in my spare time, so I tend to work on those things that interest me first
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  App suspend behavour
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  I tried to find a pattern to reproduce this issue. But there is none. The best way is to restart the phone, open the browser + uapp-explorer+youtube-app. Load something and begin switching. Mostly it works in the actual RC channel well, then something starts hanging which makes the browser restart and reload the startpage. Same thing happens with browser+N5-camera that crashes. Email i didnt test since dekko2 has problems. I also saw with systemsettings., but not often. Could be an out of memory issue, but i could not trigger it...
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  How to introduce new keyboard language?
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  Hi! I don't think there are any tutorials out there, but the source for all the different calendar layouts are here: https://github.com/ubports/keyboard-component They are basically collections of qml files, but that's about the extent of my knowledge.
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  Recovery Software in Ubuntu Touch
  recovery • • Iolaum  

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  The recovery image is based on an older version of TWRP. However, as UT is not an Android ROM, we cannot really support most of the features of TWRP which are designed around Android, rather than alternate systems. This is why the recovery is stripped down.
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  about convergence
  convergence desktop version • • josevidal  

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  Just a little sideways move to a better location.
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  MORPH BROWSER CLICK PACKAGE
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  @domubpkm Morph Browser is found in the RC channel as well - more stable than the developement one...
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  semantic versioning for UT
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  @alan_g Yes that what i meant, sorry a mistake.
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  Security considerations with using old kernel
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  @flohack Perhaps I misread the canonical write-up as to why snaps couldn't run then, but I was under the assumption that snaps couldn't work on the Flo because of some LXC features being unavailable. If that's incorrect, that's awesome and makes me wanna try to get Anbox up and running on the Flo! I was also unable to create a LXC container when I attempted on my Flo last, claimed it was missing some sort of kernel support (I can't remember the exact message, but I'm going to be reinstalling UT here soon, so I can attempt again!) and was the same reason Libertine hardcoded itself to chroot if running on a vivid-based device iirc (unless I misunderstood that requirement, in which case, my apologies for the misinformation then!) Also, I mis-spoke in my previous reply, Flo is on 3.4.0, not 3.5.0 ^_^; (EDIT: I also want to mention that I had forgotten to state that I was writing using what I had thought was the case from Vivid, I admit I haven't tried LXC on Xenial yet) Btw, I'm literally ALWAYS happy to learn, so if I'm incorrect about ANYthing, please don't hesitate to correct me and let me know. I realize I'm human and can misunderstand what I read a lot. EDIT: just finished attempting LXC inside UT, nope. fails initializing CGroup support, and libertine-container-manager claims "System kernel does not support lxc type containers. Please either use chroot or omit the -t option."
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  Linux kernel，Why not upgrade to the latest 4.15?
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  Treble is more about easing the process of updating the device and making it harder for an update to brick the device. Treble requires the phone to maintain two system partitions, similar to ChromeOS. When an update comes in, it's applied to the unused system partition and then boot is switched it it. Unfortunately, it doesn't solve the issue of drivers because, as stated above, it's simply a more safe and efficient update system. The drivers are still installed via the system update being applied to the unused partition as they were traditionally (they'd have to be, otherwise you'd have say 7.1 blobs on an 8.x systemand be unable to boot), and not coming from someplace else stored on the phone. So sadly, other than making use of Treble's A/B partition update style, it doesn't help the issue of propreitary blobs.
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  Mainline Linux
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  @Flohack that explains a lot then. I had tried previously to being up Halium with the mainline Flo kernel and had problem after problem because the Android image wouldn't compile under it due to some missing APIs that the camera libraries we're expecting. Good to know it wasn't because I was being an idiot and missing repos or something like that!
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  [How-To] Anbox for Meizu MX4 (arale)
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  I was wondering what was going on here: apt -o Dir::Cache::Archives=/home/phablet/anbox install anbox-ubuntu-touch On Telegram zubozrout explained that : "Well all it does if I parse it right is that it downloads the packages to a specified folder instead of the cache folder on the root filesystem (if you pick a folder in your home for instance) and then installs it from there. So it may not help if the rootfs is too full since the installed files end up where they should anyway but it saves a small part needed for the actual download which may allow you to install it."
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  "The other" Bluetooth Thread
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  @jezek : Hum, I don't know ... It seems to be scripts using rfcomm. bt-serial : Connects to a specific RFCOMM based service on a remote device and then creates a RFCOMM TTY device for it Not installed by default I think. So, a bit out of scope. Best regards Pulsar33
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  "The" Bluetooth Thread
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  I'm really quite upset with the turn this thread took, so I'm locking it now. The reason Rodney even became aware of this thread is because I complained about the tone it had taken in its last few posts. I get (probably unnecessarily, it's a personal failure) upset when people suggest that "thing x should be critical because it affects me". I also get upset about answering questions about specific bugs in the Q&A. Before long, the sessions become long talks about how Bluetooth is in a bad state because of greater market reasons, or how Libertine (which we acknowledge is experimental, but we put in the image for exactly that reason) isn't working in exactly the way someone wants. More than that, we don't have a full understanding of why some bugs occur so we end up speculating for too long in front of the audience. It's not fun for the viewers and it's certainly not fun for the team. As for whether things are a priority or not, we've put forward our major ideas for the next few releases in the milestones. I grant you that they aren't filled with specific bugs, but they say the "big things" we're working on. The reasoning for Bluetooth being in a poor state is not for lack of trying or for lack of impact. We know that Bluetooth is an important function of a smartphone. However, it is an unreliable (at best) protocol with tons of vendor-specific "gotcha!"s and weirdness. It's likely that fixing a bug with one device by tweaking a timing or changing a message will actually break another device. Personally, this bums me out. I love to use Bluetooth car kits and other gadgets. Not having them with UT is unfortunate. Even the big players have trouble with Bluetooth. Look at the one-star reviews for any Bluetooth car kit and you'll find lots which say "this worked with iOS 10 but not 11" or "my Android updated and now this broke, what a piece of crap". These are companies who can devote entire teams to the protocol and, honestly, it's still terrible. We may have paid developers, but this is still an open source community and our team is still extremely small. There's a huge amount of power in the "scratching an itch" factor. Bugs are fixed most completely when an interested developer picks them up and pulls them through to completion. Let me be very clear: I'm not trying to attack anyone with this message. If you feel that I am, PM me and let me know so I can edit any ambiguity out. I'm also not saying that Bluetooth is not important, rather that it is an undue amount of effort for little forward movement. In more concrete terms, we could spend the time to fix Bluetooth for one gadget or tackle OTA-5. If you'd like to solicit feedback about a specific Bluetooth device, please open another thread in the Support section. If you want to discuss anything I've said in this message, opening a thread in General is probably the best course of action. Opening megathreads like this is not conducive to good discussion in this forum software.
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  Upgrading to latest Mir
  mir xenial bionic • • Andreas Pokorny  

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  Hi @Andreas-Pokorny, I know you've made some progress updating the hybris/android platform. Could you post an update?
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  Proposal: The Edge channel
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  This channel would be useless to me and to many other developers, but if it brings benefits to halium developers, then why not. But then, why not call it "halium", "porters" or some other name that makes it clear what its target audience is? "edge" to me means "more ahead than devel", but there's again the assumption that packages from this channel will eventually end up in "devel", "rc" and "stable"; so, I would suggest a different, more specific name.
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  Anbox on Ubuntu-Touch
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  The information provided here: http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/anbox.html doesn't mention the Nexus 4. Since it's been edited 3 weeks ago, the aticle is still up to date, I guess.
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  OS Updates not retaining their original dates
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  Cheers guys, I thought it must ot already been raised. Hopefull it will be addressed soon.