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      • S Offline
        stan
        last edited by

        i read a rumor that whats app might start in app ads.
        if this happens i think more people will switch to signal and Telegram .

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        • Mic_M Offline
          Mic_
          last edited by

          Ok, understand. A little bit disappointing.

          "Signal would probably refuse to weaken their security to allow interaction"

          Yes that would be my next idea. If Signal 'allows' having contacts without encryption - would than a connection between 2 persons from telegram to signal imaginable?

          I mean it could also be that this hardcore encryption will not all the time be allowed...?

          And of course I agree that everybody should choose them freely - but actually one actor you can only install until you agree that he reads out your contacts and what you do on the phone - here we are not on a normal market I would argue. Not normal markets normally results in not normal regulations - we are only missing until now.

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            flohack @Mic_
            last edited by flohack

            @Mic_ besides the encryption issue you also need to federate both services together. There is for example the problem, what if a person has both Telegram AND Signal accounts registered to their phone number? The servers currently would not know how to route this.
            If a service is not built with federation in mind like XMPP or Matrix its really really next to impossible to get this done properly at a later stage. I remember with horror the things Microsoft did to couple MSN Messenger and Skype accounts. It was never working as expected.
            Or even Skype for Business and their former Lync application: Messages got stuck, people were always offline etc. And that was inside the same company πŸ˜‰

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            • Mic_M Offline
              Mic_
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              Ok, thx for the explanation! I really didn't know how complex that is. And if MSN and Skype did not work ... I understand.

              So if somebody wants to go the regulative way, it must be defined a protocoll or something which all messengers have to be able to handle (at least additionaly).

              And probably that would never happen.

              Would it be imaginable that Telegram or Signal have to add e.g. XMPP?

              Ok I really have no idea what Telegram is doing different - but a protocoll just means nohing else than a predefined order of info inside a file - which should be at least possible.

              I am also not sure if a connection between messengers will not bring more problems than it solves - but the market position of WA would be broken during a short time.

              However, thx for the input.

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              • PhoenixLandPiratP Offline
                PhoenixLandPirat
                last edited by

                Here's some more context for signal with integration with other messengers.

                https://matrix.org/blog/2020/01/02/on-privacy-versus-freedom

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                • Mic_M Offline
                  Mic_
                  last edited by

                  EU 'recommends' Signal to EU-staff and proofs WA
                  in german

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                  • Pulsar33P Offline
                    Pulsar33
                    last edited by

                    Hello,
                    Time for Signal is coming, due to WhatsApp agreement ultimatum !
                    BR
                    Pulsar33

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                      Diagon
                      last edited by Lakotaubp

                      I'm getting flagged as spam. I'm not sure how to post this ... I'll try it piecemeal.

                      I just happen to have put together a list of links on Telegram. I suggest we stay far away from their "roll your own" crypto. That's the first thing you'll learn in a crypto class.

                      Moxie (Signal protocol) and Matt Green (John's Hopkins/zcash) are crypto experts. The Grugg is a well known infosec researcher, but I don't know his background as well. Durov is owner of Telegram

                      Moxie's comment to Telegram/Durov:

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                        Diagon
                        last edited by Lakotaubp

                        continuing ...

                        Telegram crypto defeated (2013)

                        Moxie's comment on their new crypo

                        The Grug

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                          Lakotaubp @Diagon
                          last edited by

                          @diagon This is a really old thread and not totally sure why you posted the links here so removed them.

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                            Diagon @Lakotaubp
                            last edited by Diagon

                            @lakotaubp - because I have researched the history of Telegram, of which this thread is about; and Telegram vs. Signal is still a relevant issue.

                            Could you please let me post these?

                            Please stop deleting these links.

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                            • LakotaubpL Offline
                              Lakotaubp @Diagon
                              last edited by

                              @diagon It might be a discussion for Off Topic but not in a really old thread about the merits or not of Signal or Telegram in general. If you want to start a discussion on those issues then feel free to do so in OT as no doubt similar issues affect more than these platforms. Also be Careful with links to off forum sites

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