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        DrPi @Keneda
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        @keneda I might take advantage of Black Friday prices to buy a Fairphone 4 and install UT on it myself.

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          domubpkm @DrPi
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          @drpi said in Which phone ?:

          take advantage of Black Friday prices to buy a Fairphone 4

          If you find an extraordinary promotion, do not hesitate to share the web link.. šŸ™‚

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            MrT10001
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            To throw a spanner in the works, a Pinephone, Fairphone and Volla phone are expensive compared to a new 5G Android phone, let a lone a second hand device. You need to weigh up what UT is to you and how you are going to use it for the cost outlay. Developing on it would make it really worth it, but as a daily driver there are cheaper alternatives (case in point, I have bought Motorola Moto G XT1032 for less than £10(UK) that runs e/O/S, Motorola G4 Plus £32 that runs Sailfish OS (Jolla), Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 £60 that runs UT and is now running 20.04). I would get a Fairphone if it was economically viable to do and also gave me enough to use it as a fully working daily driver.

            Xiaomi Redmi Note 7.... And more...
            I have too many devices...

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              DrPi @domubpkm
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              @domubpkm Is saving 50€ extraordinary ? Probably not. But it is still 50€.
              Many French online shops sell the FP4 at 529€/599€ depending on the configuration.

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                DrPi @MrT10001
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                @mrt10001 I want a UT phone. I currently use a Pinephone but it is hardly usable as a daily driver. And I don't see a brilliant future for this phone. I more and more believe the hardware is badly designed. Maybe I'm wrong. If this device becomes usable, I'll have a spare phone in my drawer. But for now, I need a device which just works.

                I like the Fairphone philosophy . Yes it is an expensive phone considering its technical characteristics. But it is repairable and (supposedly) fabricated with another spirit (compared to other manufacturers). I'm sensible to these arguments.

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                  Keneda @DrPi
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                  @drpi
                  Yes Fairphone is acting in a completly different way, and scale, than other sellers.
                  Doing so, they can't sale their phones at the cheap price others do.

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                    Lakotaubp
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                    @drpi To make myself a bit clearer as the aim is for the FP4 isto be available preinstalled and sold that way it will be getting a lot of support. There is already a version of 20.04 available to try, and 16.04 has devel and RC update channels available now. I use it as my DD already. There is still some polishing to do but it already works very well so would make a good choice if the price is not an issue of course.
                    If not a new device the OP5/5T now have 20.04 support available a nd the Pixel 3a is also looking good.

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                      MrT10001 @DrPi
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                      @drpi As others have pointed out, for a cheap alternative, look at the Google Pixel 3a (bad battery life), Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 (supported for 20.04, but unlocking the bootloader is meddlesome) and the Oneplus 5/5T.

                      Xiaomi Redmi Note 7.... And more...
                      I have too many devices...

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                        domubpkm @Lakotaubp
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                        @lakotaubp Not clear enough yet šŸ˜‰ Fairphone 4 with UT preinstalled sold by whom? when will the product be available? Will the preinstalled ubuntu version be identical to a homemade flash? In short, this deserves more clarification (if you know šŸ™‚).

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                          s710
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                          Does anyone have a comparison between FF4 and the Volla Phone?

                          I do have a Volla Phone, but I find the performance to be rather disappointing (of course this is personal perception/preference). I see that the FF4 has a mid class CPU, but no OLED. How is performance and display quality compared to the Volla Phone?

                          I am quite excited by the FF4 and love the concept, and I’m happy that it will be so well supported, but I am more of a sensible person in regards to responsiveness and performance (coming from an iPhone 11 pro where everything (including the gallery of 5k photos) opens and happens instantly). I am trying to get as close as I can, so I am also looking into the OP7 direction (since a port is being worked on), or the S10 which should also be quite powerful.

                          Not yet using UT as daily driver, but I want to in the future.

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                            sven @s710
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                            @s710 If your Volla is a Vollaphone 22, I can give you a rough performance comparison.

                            VollaPhone22 (dual-boot of VollaOS and UT 20.04 OTA-5), Pocophone F1 (pmOS, edge)

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                              s710 @sven
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                              @sven Nope I have the normal Volla Phone. But tell me anyway.

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                                sven @s710
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                                @s710 You can compare with Geekbench 5 scores if you keep in mind that all Vollaphones are variants of Gigaset phones. (Yes, Geekbench is Android based, but it should be a good indication for Linux, too.)

                                The first Vollaphone corresponds to the Gigaset GS290; I see a single-core score of 150 and a multi-core score of 902. The FP4 is much faster: 642 and 1878.

                                BTW: The Vollaphone 22 corresponds to the Gigaset GS5 and is somewhere in the middle, with scores 352 and 1296.

                                VollaPhone22 (dual-boot of VollaOS and UT 20.04 OTA-5), Pocophone F1 (pmOS, edge)

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                                  s710 @sven
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                                  @sven said in Which phone ?:

                                  @s710 You can compare with Geekbench 5 scores if you keep in mind that all Vollaphones are variants of Gigaset phones. (Yes, Geekbench is Android based, but it should be a good indication for Linux, too.)

                                  The first Vollaphone corresponds to the Gigaset GS290; I see a single-core score of 150 and a multi-core score of 902. The FP4 is much faster: 642 and 1878.

                                  BTW: The Vollaphone 22 corresponds to the Gigaset GS5 and is somewhere in the middle, with scores 352 and 1296.

                                  Can you maybe share some details about UT usage beyond the benchmark numbers? Eg opening times of apps, stuttering, slow downs or other kinds of issues while using the app switcher, gallery, browser, other apps and so on?

                                  Btw do you run the 20.04 channel or 16.04?

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                                    domubpkm
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                                    Not scientific šŸ™‚ but
                                    volla < volla 22 < Fairphone 4.
                                    That said, the Vollas are good mid-range smartphones and I have confidence in the professionalism of the Hallo Welt Systeme team.
                                    Anyway, whatever the smartphone, Vollas, Fairphone or other smartphones, i think everything will depend on the efforts that will be invested by developers so that ubuntu 20.04 is well supported. A plus is that the Fairphone 4 will probably support 5g, not vollas.

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                                      Keneda @domubpkm
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                                      @domubpkm
                                      One plus for Vollas is multiboot support though.
                                      Hopping this feature to be ported for all devices that can handle this.

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                                      2024-***** : FPOS Fairphone 5 waiting UT for freedom šŸ˜‰
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                                        sven @s710
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                                        @s710 Still running OTA-24, i.e. Ubuntu 16.04. I use my phone rarely, so I have no valuable impressions from the user interface.

                                        VollaPhone22 (dual-boot of VollaOS and UT 20.04 OTA-5), Pocophone F1 (pmOS, edge)

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                                          PhoenixLandPirat
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                                          I would start by recommending a device that's got ubuntu 20.04 as an option

                                          • Xiaomi Poco M3
                                          • OnePlus 5
                                          • OnePlus 5T
                                          • OnePlus 6
                                          • Xiaomi Mi A2
                                          • Xiaomi Redmi Note 7
                                          • Google Pixel 3a
                                          • Volla Phone
                                          • Volla Phone X
                                          • Sony Xperia X
                                          • Fairphone 4
                                          • Volla 22

                                          I've mostly heard updates from Alfred who praises the Pixel 3a, and also talks about the Fairphone 4, I know the OnePlus 5 runs wonderfully, and I know you can get the OP5 for pretty cheap.

                                          What's best for you, is up to you, but I wouldn't even consider looking at devices without 20.04 support because you don't know how long they'll last, you don't know if they'll ever get a 20.04 update.

                                          Another thing to consider is, which companys help and support ubuntu touch? maybe if you want to support ubuntu touch, you should consider getting the phones that either give you it pre-installed, or at least show off, or help the developers in some way.

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